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As an Air France pilot operating out of CDG, I can assure you many of us wish for English to be the standard language on freq.
Resistance mainly comes from ATC...
What authority does EASA have on this issue. Pills have an ELA rating; I assume ATC does also. Therefore we all have the ability. EU is EASA territory and they have law making ability. Does it include ALL aspects of front line aviation? If so could ECA not lobby for ATC in English in all states?
Resistance mainly comes from ATC...
What authority does EASA have on this issue. Pills have an ELA rating; I assume ATC does also. Therefore we all have the ability. EU is EASA territory and they have law making ability. Does it include ALL aspects of front line aviation? If so could ECA not lobby for ATC in English in all states?
At a recent conference in London we were briefed that Agil Azur has decided its pilots will all speak English to ATC over France. Good news.
On of the CDG managers talked to the Eurocontrol Safety Forum in June and said that the use of French by ATC/Francophone pilots at CDG was now recognized as a hazard and was on the risk register. The main problem (apparently) is that not all the ground handlers speak English. Why that means all the other locals should speak French is entirely another matter.
On of the CDG managers talked to the Eurocontrol Safety Forum in June and said that the use of French by ATC/Francophone pilots at CDG was now recognized as a hazard and was on the risk register. The main problem (apparently) is that not all the ground handlers speak English. Why that means all the other locals should speak French is entirely another matter.
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Someone on another thread mentioned English as the ICAO language. Even without EASA intervention would this not mean that all ICAO states should use English in RT transmissions? I do remember a caveat, years ago - perhaps before JAR, which said local language could be used if it did not infringe on safety. Is that still the case? e.g. South America, even Russia and other E European countries, before ELA rating in a licence had not yet been introduced.
The issue of pilots and ATC using more than one language should of course be a safety issue. But it isn't; it's about culture and politics. We found that out in Canada a few years ago. Studies of hazards and risk are irrelevant when higher political agendas are in play.
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Funny how an airprox in Bacelona diverts to pros and cons of Using French in Canada ... But one point you have right :
Gentlemen, ICAO rules of the air specify which language to be used when overflying a State. ( the language set by the State ) All attempts to change this since 1944 have failed all miserably.
No-one wants to try again. Check with your State ICAO commissioner if you do not believe me .
English Language proficiency testing is of course one step forward, but does not solve the use of 2 languages simultaneously..
Using English everywhere is of course and by far the best option. But not necessarily the safest in places where nobody else speaks English, ( e.g Russia to take only one example) and contrary to popular belief it is not a high safety risk. (and before you start shooting , check your facts and figures )
Over and out.
it's about culture and politics.
No-one wants to try again. Check with your State ICAO commissioner if you do not believe me .
English Language proficiency testing is of course one step forward, but does not solve the use of 2 languages simultaneously..
Using English everywhere is of course and by far the best option. But not necessarily the safest in places where nobody else speaks English, ( e.g Russia to take only one example) and contrary to popular belief it is not a high safety risk. (and before you start shooting , check your facts and figures )
Over and out.
