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Old 29th Mar 2015, 14:28
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"This is same place that a 747 cargo crashed several years ago."

Negative, the 747 crashed off the end of the longer runway 23 heading SW.
Actually, it is almost the exact same spot, just this aircraft was landing on runway 05 to the NE while the 747 was taking off on runway 23 to the SW. In fact, it would seem that both aircraft hit the same power lines which knocked out the power to the airport on both occasions. The lights going out was the first indication something was up almost 11 years ago when the 747 crashed followed by the orange glow lighting up the pillowing smoke, something I will never forget seeing. Sadly, while they didn't contibute to the cause of the first crash, as fate was sealed by the time the power lines came into play, if they had been placed underground at some point before last night, this whole incident may have played out differently.
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Old 29th Mar 2015, 14:31
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Mudman.

That's the 23 end.
Street View of the 05 end shows the orange aerials ILS on a berm.
I take the orange bits on the A-320 are what's left of it.

They were very lucky to make it onto the field.
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A couple of daytime pics from TSB Flickr Page





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Old 29th Mar 2015, 14:38
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I was replying to a post (now deleted) that referred to runway 32.
Yes you are correct, threshold of 05 is where the 747 crashed. Sorry for confusion.
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Old 29th Mar 2015, 15:06
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Was it a belly landing no sign of any undercarriage.
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Old 29th Mar 2015, 15:16
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Accident: Air Canada A320 at Halifax on Mar 29th 2015, touched down short of runway
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Old 29th Mar 2015, 15:19
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The front gear bay appears open, with what remains of that gear evident in some pics.

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Old 29th Mar 2015, 15:21
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The guy who posted some pics on airliners shown in post 23 said the U/C was by the road. Guess it got torn off along with the engines.
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Was it a belly landing no sign of any undercarriage.
Here is a twitter photo of one of the gear in a snow bank. Looks it hit the antennas on the berm at the end of 23 (you can see parts of it embedded in the nose and starboard wing) the gear might have been sheared off at the berm or collapsed when the plane hit the ground.

Lightened up the twitter image

Street view of same location:
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Old 29th Mar 2015, 15:45
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Accident: Air Canada A320 at Halifax on Mar 29th 2015, touched down short of runway

nose has parts from ground lighting imbedded in it.
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Old 29th Mar 2015, 15:47
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Either you crash or you land - there's no such thing as a crash landing

Oh, for goodness sake. Why so precious about the semantics? You can crash while taxiing, you can crash on take-off, you can crash in mid-air - and you can crash on landing. QED, a crash landing.

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Old 29th Mar 2015, 15:50
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Having flown off and on into YHZ for the last 18 years, I have never understood why 05 does not have an ILS. I never liked doing the backcourse LOC in low ceilings, and I have experienced downdrafts/windshear coming in there.
Looking at the METARS from last night, a divert would have been a serious consideration.
Incredible luck somehow scuttling onto the runway surface, sans all gears and an engine and half ripped off.

Pure luck.
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Old 29th Mar 2015, 15:52
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Originally Posted by N707ZS
Was it a belly landing no sign of any undercarriage.
A belly (ie deliberate, gear-up) landing would have been preceded by a passenger safety briefing. If that had been the case, we would have heard about it by now.
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Old 29th Mar 2015, 16:00
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looks like a chunk of something foreign/orange/silver in the radar bulkhead - perhaps the ground antenna?

that would be quite near the crews feet!

good that all are ok, could have been alot worse looking at the damage.
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Old 29th Mar 2015, 16:13
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I agree with oceancrosser
Having flown that LOC approach in DC-9, 767 and Airbus 319/320,
Runway 05 needs a ILS approach

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Old 29th Mar 2015, 16:16
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Just an interested comment from a S&R Nav...

I notice the forward right door does not appear to have been used in the Evacuation. Not sure what the pax load was, but is there a Cabin Crew SOP to get ALL DOORS opened in such an (on-land) evacuation???
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Old 29th Mar 2015, 16:25
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Originally Posted by er340790
Not sure what the pax load was, but is there a Cabin Crew SOP to get ALL DOORS opened in such an (on-land) evacuation???
Reportedly 133 pax and 3 cabin crew, presumably the reason 3 doors (plus overwing exits) were used.
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Old 29th Mar 2015, 16:31
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Last time I was in YHZ was about 3 years ago. That berm that ripped off the tail of the MK 747 was still there. It sticks up to be level with the runway fo instrument approach equipment. If still there, it is a huge hazard for an aircraft touching down short.
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Old 29th Mar 2015, 16:31
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AC responsible!

In 1982 a DC 10 departed the runway in BOS and ended up in 30 degree water. Many folks who ended up in the shallow water avoided significant exposure injuries by a quick thinking police officer who diverted city buses to provide shelter for those wet folks. I wonder if this option is considered in any major airport disaster response manuals or would security concerns preclude it.
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Old 29th Mar 2015, 16:35
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK
Reportedly 133 pax and 3 cabin crew
All lucky to be alive. This was a major crash, and news reports of a "runway excursion" are ridiculous.

Not that this would necessarily have made much difference, but the power lines should have been moved underground years ago - at least in the stretch at the end of the runway.
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