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Old 24th Mar 2014, 14:26   #7781 (permalink)
 
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Anyone know if the Norwegian car carrier is still on station? Or is it out of the new search area?
Guessing out of the area by now given other (and more capable) assets on scene. But someone a few days back posted very persuasive data that it sped up and changed course 3 (I think) days before they announced the search off Perth.

Anyway lets hope some debris is found soon. Concrete evidence will be more persuasive for to distressed relatives than will mathematical discussions about satellites.
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Old 24th Mar 2014, 14:26   #7782 (permalink)
 
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Norwegian Car Carrier Hoegh St Petersburg

Hoegh St Petersburg was relieved yesterday from search duties at the request of the ship according to the briefing by AMSA.
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Old 24th Mar 2014, 14:28   #7783 (permalink)
 
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GreenOnGo, perhaps it is based upon 200+ families wanting/needing some closure.

What does it matter to the rest of us?
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Old 24th Mar 2014, 14:31   #7784 (permalink)
 
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The release of information to the public has NOT been in real time. Australian Naval assets were on their way to the search area 26 hours before it was announced, satellite information has been screened and kept secure.
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Old 24th Mar 2014, 14:35   #7785 (permalink)
 
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200kg of Lithium Batteries on board!MH370 transporting 200kg of lithium batteries: chief - 3/24/2014 - Flight Global

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Old 24th Mar 2014, 14:36   #7786 (permalink)
 
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The release of information to the public has NOT been in real time. Australian Naval assets were on their way to the search area 26 hours before it was announced, satellite information has been screened and kept secure.
All of which is quite appropriate and quite understandable.

I suspect the original Inmarsat 40 degree arc is true. But everyone was very dogmatic that was all the information available. As far as the satellite was concerned, the plane could have been anywhere on that arc at the time of the final ping.

If the Inmarsat data had been refined by other means, and if the US needed a cover explanation, who else would they turn to other than the UK?

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Old 24th Mar 2014, 14:40   #7787 (permalink)
 
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Interim report?
Is it too much to expect that British satellite company Inmarsat and/or the UK's Air Accident Investigation Branch (AAIB) now make themselves available for a news conference to explain exactly what data they have, how they analyzed it and what conclusions they reached?

So far we only have third-hand reports of what Inmarsat has or doesn't have.
Not really. The Beeb, at the least, have carried interviews with Inmarsat. Not that they added anything.
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Old 24th Mar 2014, 14:41   #7788 (permalink)
 
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Heartbreaking!

"Sydney Morning Herald's Philip Wen tweets: Relatives have learnt the news and are wailing openly at the Lido Hotel, some unable to walk. Medical staff still bringing in stretchers"
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Old 24th Mar 2014, 14:43   #7789 (permalink)
 
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Nothing has been found, even as recent as 3 hours ago by local Australian statements.

Very suspicious to make assumptions based on no hard evidence (data is not necessarily credible here).
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Old 24th Mar 2014, 14:45   #7790 (permalink)
 
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Navy Prepares Black Box Locator for MH370 Search

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As a precautionary measure in case a debris field is located, U.S. Pacific Command has ordered U.S. Pacific Fleet to move a black box locator into the region, March 24.
If a debris field is confirmed, The Navy's Towed Pinger Locator 25 will add a significant advantage in locating the missing Malaysian aircraft's black box."


Read more: Navy Prepares Black Box Locator for MH370 Search
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Old 24th Mar 2014, 14:46   #7791 (permalink)
 
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That's all very well and good, but it doesn't do anything for finding the wreckage and the recorders. Unless someone has some radar data or intercepted Inmarsat broadcasts, then the mystery is probably going to
remain unsolved.

Perhaps it's time to try stacking weather satellite data for a contrail along the route after sunrise, and IR early warning data to try to pick out the engines?
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Old 24th Mar 2014, 14:46   #7792 (permalink)
 
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This is not some kind of online puzzle
A plus one from me, well said.

There will be no prize for the best analysis or closest guess. Inmarsat, the AAIB, NTSB have got enough on their plate right now without pandering to the " I demand to know" brigade..guess what - right now we don't need to know. I, and I suspect others here will be strapping a strapping a T7 to my backside tomorrow, I want the investgators focused on the job, not on PR.

The PM did the decent and IMHO the right thing.

Maybe time for a little quiet reflection by some in this place as to what has gone on here and the suffering some people are going through?
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Old 24th Mar 2014, 14:47   #7793 (permalink)
 
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Interesting that the US dispatched a ship with towed array to the search area in the last few days.

Re information NOT being released in real time, not surprising and if you think of the criticisms the Malaysians endured by releasing info and then retracting it, I would say that the US, UK, Aust etc are being very careful. The only people who need to know are the families and the searchers, everyone else - especially the media - can wait.

At least Aust has lots of activity to keep the media busy and occupied.
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Old 24th Mar 2014, 14:47   #7794 (permalink)
 
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Indeed, very bad, although expected news.

But I am really flabbergasted that Malaysian Airlines chose to tell the relatives by text message. I mean seriously, what were they thinking? I've heard of people dumping their boyfriend or girlfriend by text message, but telling someone their loved one died in a remote part of the ocean in a plane crash by text message?

I think I'm going to ban Malaysian Airlines for my personal travel - not because of the crash, that could happen to any airline but they have not had that good a level of contact with the families for the last two weeks and then this text message is really unbelievable.

Banned.

"The following SMS message has been sent to relatives: "Malaysia Airlines deeply regrets that we have to assume beyond any reasonable doubt that MH370 has been lost and that none of those on board survived. As you will hear in the next hour from Malaysia's prime minister, we must now accept all evidence suggests the plane went down in the southern Indian Ocean.""
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Old 24th Mar 2014, 14:47   #7795 (permalink)
 
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Inmarsat saying they have used Doppler effect to isolate the southern corridor and tested the theory on known flights. Hence their latest conclusion. Can only give a general location.
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Old 24th Mar 2014, 14:51   #7796 (permalink)
 
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Maybe time for a little quiet reflection by some in this place as to what has gone on here and the suffering some people are going through?
Well said.
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Old 24th Mar 2014, 14:57   #7797 (permalink)
 
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a bbc reporter has just been told by Inmarsat that their investigations were completed yesterday and involved the movements of other aircraft (some kind of more accurate calibration ?)
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Old 24th Mar 2014, 14:58   #7798 (permalink)
 
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There will be no prize for the best analysis or closest guess. Inmarsat, the AAIB, NTSB have got enough on thier plate right now without pandering to the " I demand to know" brigade..guess what - we don't need to know.
Wiggy I think we do need to know. We need to be confident that we can fly on 777s, that we can fly on Malaysia Airlines flights, that we can fly out of Malaysian airports. I agree with you that breathless speculation from fruitcakes on this site or from the press won' t get those questions answered, but the Malaysian government does need to get something out from its apparently interminable police investigation to start giving some assurance to all of us who fly in and out of Malaysia or on 777s.
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Old 24th Mar 2014, 15:03   #7799 (permalink)
 
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Malaysian Airlines MH370 contact lost

Posted that Doppler could solve the rough track of the aircraft back on the 16th. Looks as if thats how they managed to go firm on the southern route.

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Unless they have a truly tremendous receiver on the satellite, Doppler is only by a Hz or so, and would still not split North and South. The only way for Inmarsat to decide between tracks is on the possible routes highlighted by the series of eight pings.
Indicated doppler effect pops up on our FMS, typically depending on sat geometry, you are looking at between 10 and 50 Hz difference, so not insignificant I believe. With multiple sats and a few complex equations, you can get a rough derived relative track and velocity which it loos as if Inmarsat have done in this case.

Whether any other agencies have been involved in locating potential wreckage is irrelevant. All that matters is the families can get closure and a rough search area is established to determine what why and possibly who was responsible.
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Old 24th Mar 2014, 15:03   #7800 (permalink)
 
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ORAC

"a super-secret installation just outside Alice Springs -- remains cloaked in secrecy."

Pine Gap is NOT super secret anymore. A fair bit of what goes on was disclosed in a book written by a person who works inside and all of it was fully approved before release with more detail than people thought. The media however like to blow it up as "super secret".

As to whether JOHR was working, we don't need to be told, as long as the relevant information is passed on which it would have been.
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