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Old 23rd Dec 2013, 04:31   #21 (permalink)
 
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Got to feel for this crew. Even if they'd missed that outhouse they'd have been in for a tight 3 point turn.
I would think shut down and tow out as more appropriate.
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Old 23rd Dec 2013, 05:39   #22 (permalink)
 
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There is a caution on the taxi chart in the AIP:

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1. ACFT to exercise caution when taxiing on
TWY B southbound to THR RWY 03L due to
Apron taxilane M extending from TWY B in a
Southerly direction.
Taxiways chart AIP

There is however to wingspan warning, and the "taxiway" they ended up on is defined as a apron taxilane.
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Old 23rd Dec 2013, 05:45   #23 (permalink)
 
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And then this was just a 747, not even an A380. Maybe we should require that aircraft have proximity sensors in the wing tips...
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Old 23rd Dec 2013, 06:09   #24 (permalink)
 
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British Airways Incident at Johannesburg

Got to love the press ..... Taker from News 24

BA plane clips building at OR Tambo

A British Airways flight bound for London has veered off the runway, crashing into a building at OR Tambo International.

I've often wondered why those buildings were so close to the movement areas...

Feel sorry for the crew!
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Old 23rd Dec 2013, 06:10   #25 (permalink)
 
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Was it Night? If so, did taxiway mike have green centerline Lighting?
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Old 23rd Dec 2013, 06:13   #26 (permalink)
 
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A British Airways flight bound for London has veered off the runway, crashing into a building
Wot? No schools, shopping centres thronged with pre-Christmas crowds, blazing fuel tanks, thousands of panic stricken passengers on board?
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Old 23rd Dec 2013, 06:48   #27 (permalink)
 
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If you would have hit the building with a car it would have been called a crash...
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Old 23rd Dec 2013, 07:08   #28 (permalink)
 
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British Airways Plane 'Crash' In Johannesburg

Just noticed while watching some news
: British Airways Plane 'Crash' In Johannesburg British Airways Plane 'Crash' In Johannesburg
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Old 23rd Dec 2013, 07:18   #29 (permalink)
 
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One thing is for sure. Whatever the accident investigation findings are, somebody is going to get a real a**e kicking!! The BBC are now showing passengers stills of the wing. Really surprised the BA skipper attempted that!
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Old 23rd Dec 2013, 07:35   #30 (permalink)
 
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Per G-INFO:

Total Hours:106615 at 31/12/2012

Add another 4,000 to that (since we're pretty much at the end of 2013) and the likely short future life with BA and I think insurers will be taking a long hard look at this.

Does BA have a reserve 744 that it can press into service; bad time of the year for this to happen ...
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Old 23rd Dec 2013, 07:41   #31 (permalink)
 
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Old 23rd Dec 2013, 07:53   #34 (permalink)
 
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Does BA have a reserve 744 that it can press into service; bad time of the year for this to happen ...


BA shows four 747-400s parked in the desert - I don't know how much it would take to put one of those back into service, but probably a lot less than it would to fix this one
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Old 23rd Dec 2013, 07:54   #35 (permalink)
 
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Old 23rd Dec 2013, 07:56   #36 (permalink)
 
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110,000 hours on the clock. That must be up there with one of the oldest passenger airframes in Europe? I gather it would've been retired in the not too distant future?


What are BA doing with their retired airframes? Sending it to Victorville or somewhere similar? Or are they sending them to a salvage company?
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Old 23rd Dec 2013, 08:10   #37 (permalink)
 
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RLT's photo on post 40 looks uncannily like the A380 incident at the last Paris Air Show.
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Old 23rd Dec 2013, 08:16   #38 (permalink)
 
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BA are withdrawing 14 jumbos in the next year or so with BNLR due to be the next, maybe it will hang on for a bit longer now, they are being sent to victorville for scrapping along with the 734s
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Old 23rd Dec 2013, 08:17   #39 (permalink)
 
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110,000 hours on the clock. That must be up there with one of the oldest passenger airframes in Europe? I gather it would've been retired in the not too distant future?


What are BA doing with their retired airframes? Sending it to Victorville or somewhere similar? Or are they sending them to a salvage company?
Lufthansa retired the first couple of -400s with 118-120k hours. LH really maintains a gold standard of fleet utilization and dispatch reliability.

IIRC -BNLL had a heavy check just recently and definitely wasn't scheduled for retirement in 2014 and 2015. That may now change of course. Depending on the insurer.

It may cost less to put another frame scheduled for retirement through a D-check or heavy C-check (whatever BA does nowadays on the B744), than to repair this frame.

In any case, this proved once again that Boeing's 747 is a tank. Same goes for the 777 as shown at KSFO.
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Old 23rd Dec 2013, 08:27   #40 (permalink)
 
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Jethro's shows no planned date for NLL to be withdrawn from use. There are, however, quite a few scheduled for withdrawal in 2014. It might be that BA has some juggling around to do, as most of those being withdrawn will likely be due a major imminently.

I note that NLL has been at CWL twice in the last 6 months for maintenance, 3/6 - 13/6 and 12/8 - 25/9. The latter 6 week stint would suggest that a major check has been recently performed.

I further note that it was due to get a first class refit from one of the aircraft due to be withdrawn in the next few months, suggesting that NLL was scheduled to be operated for 2 - 3 years yet.

For BA, it may be a question of the cost of repairs to NLL vs the cost of a major check on another aircraft due to be withdrawn.
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