Dutch TV reports on 'Ryanair pilots denominated alarm over safety'
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The management fee is the fee each pilot on certain contracts pays or used to pay in order for their accountant to handle payroll, tax etc and a place as a director in the accountants prepared limited companies.
3% plus VAT. Total around 4%.
3% plus VAT. Total around 4%.
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Thank you for putting this very thorough information up. While I will never fly for Ryanair myself, I'm still curious to here how the structure works. Sorry if I contributed to the jumping around, however it really is an extraordinary arrangement!
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So an individual has to set up as a Limited Company. There are supposed to be great financial advantages in that. Give us the name of such a company and for €3 we'll have a look at the accounts?
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To get an understanding why pilots working for Ryanair are afraid to post details on their experiences and T&C here a link to a thread on pprune in 2006.
This will add to the understanding why pilots did their story on tv while being anonymous. If their names will be revealed they will lose their job. Chances to get a new job in Europe are very slim.
Ryanair went to High Court to force the website owners of Repaweb to identify the names of persons who posted on this website. Repa is Ryanair European Pilots' Association. A gathering for all Ryanair pilots, permanent or with Brookfield.
Ryanair loses legal bid to identify website critics [Archive] - PPRuNe Forums
This will add to the understanding why pilots did their story on tv while being anonymous. If their names will be revealed they will lose their job. Chances to get a new job in Europe are very slim.
Ryanair went to High Court to force the website owners of Repaweb to identify the names of persons who posted on this website. Repa is Ryanair European Pilots' Association. A gathering for all Ryanair pilots, permanent or with Brookfield.
Ryanair loses legal bid to identify website critics [Archive] - PPRuNe Forums
Just for the sake of clarity I said `probability of continued employment'. The point is that Ryanair as an airline is likely to be a long term survivor. It is possible that you as an individual may cease to be employed but improbable that all pilots will be made redundant.
Ryanair when copying Southwest decided to leave out the touchy feely corporate culture. Whether this is a reflection of O'Leary's character or just more typical of airline management in general I leave for you to decide. Certainly the fallacy that everything was rosy before the LCCs showed up is well and truly put to rest by (pprune contributor) Alan de Tourtoulon's book describing his early days in BEA, and which I can thoroughly recommend.
Ryanair when copying Southwest decided to leave out the touchy feely corporate culture. Whether this is a reflection of O'Leary's character or just more typical of airline management in general I leave for you to decide. Certainly the fallacy that everything was rosy before the LCCs showed up is well and truly put to rest by (pprune contributor) Alan de Tourtoulon's book describing his early days in BEA, and which I can thoroughly recommend.
I would suggest that is good advice at least while the beloved leader is in power. He did suggest what seems a very long time ago that he was going to let someone else have a go. Things seem to have gone a bit quiet on that front. However the probability of a more enlightened regime really is unlikely.
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Ryanair get 15% more Dutch bookings since TV programme
Ryanair claims to get 15 % more bookings in the last two weeks from the Netherlands since the broadcast of the two programmes by KRO Reporter about the fuel policy and two pilots confessing they once flew while not fit to.
A Ryanair spokesman said:
"The KRO programme was free publicity. We are gratefull for the attention""
Personally I have serious doubts about this statement. The statement cannot he checked for truth.
source:
Ryanair en 6 andere slechtnieuwsprofiteurs - Business - MT Management Team, de business uit het nieuws
A Ryanair spokesman said:
"The KRO programme was free publicity. We are gratefull for the attention""
Personally I have serious doubts about this statement. The statement cannot he checked for truth.
source:
Ryanair en 6 andere slechtnieuwsprofiteurs - Business - MT Management Team, de business uit het nieuws
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I understand the Spanish TV programma LaSexta will tonight show a Ryanair pilot telling that he is under pressure to take as less fuel as possible.
I guess he will be anonymous as well.
Interview with MOL will be in the programme as well.
taken from:
'Equipo de investigación' se estrena en laSexta con "Ryanair, al límite" - FormulaTV
Research Team 'lands this Friday, January 11, in the prime time of laSexta with a program that will analyze the controversy over the safety of Ryanair flights. The program from Antena 3 will air at 22:20 pm, just after 'laSexta column.' Voices of the airline industry complained that the company operates "on edge", a complaint also shared some of their employees. For the first time an active driver of the airline has on camera that the company undergoes to save fuel pressures. The program hosted by Gloria Serra has accessed documents that show these pressures.
Three emergency landings due to lack of fuel to the airline put in the spotlight
Consumer associations are overwhelmed by complaints from passengers of Ryanair. The company owes more than a million euros in compensation not paid. Meanwhile, autonomous regions and municipalities have spent years promoting the development of the airline advertising contracts millionaires. 'Research Team' will enter the headquarters of the company in Ireland and find that saving philosophy prevails in Ryanair. The program interviews Michael O'Leary, the controversial director of the company, on the latest incidents and allegations that call into question the safety of the low cost.
I guess he will be anonymous as well.
Interview with MOL will be in the programme as well.
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'Equipo de investigación' se estrena en laSexta con "Ryanair, al límite" - FormulaTV
Research Team 'lands this Friday, January 11, in the prime time of laSexta with a program that will analyze the controversy over the safety of Ryanair flights. The program from Antena 3 will air at 22:20 pm, just after 'laSexta column.' Voices of the airline industry complained that the company operates "on edge", a complaint also shared some of their employees. For the first time an active driver of the airline has on camera that the company undergoes to save fuel pressures. The program hosted by Gloria Serra has accessed documents that show these pressures.
Three emergency landings due to lack of fuel to the airline put in the spotlight
Consumer associations are overwhelmed by complaints from passengers of Ryanair. The company owes more than a million euros in compensation not paid. Meanwhile, autonomous regions and municipalities have spent years promoting the development of the airline advertising contracts millionaires. 'Research Team' will enter the headquarters of the company in Ireland and find that saving philosophy prevails in Ryanair. The program interviews Michael O'Leary, the controversial director of the company, on the latest incidents and allegations that call into question the safety of the low cost.
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I see. So can you set up your own company and bypass this "management fee" by handling your own accounts?
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I saw a short preview of the TV programme broadcasted last night at Spanish channel LaSexta. The showed an anonymous pilot of Ryanair. The preview also showed a letter which was not shown in the KRO and WDR programmes.
It also shows some customer complains.
Also Mr. Cullen of IALPA was interviewed.
Without watching the whole programme this seems to me more a sensational programme like UK scandal press than a serious, professional made programme. Alone the sensational background music shows the true intention of the programme.
the Ryanair letter says:
The Voyage Report (VR) indicated you were the commander of the ... FR. The VR shows that you carried xxx kg in excess of FPL/Block fuel without providing any explaination for the additional fuel carried.
Ops manual part A 8.1.7.8.6 sets out approved procedures for the uplift and usage of fuel.
Where departure fuel in more than 300 kg in excess of flight plan fuel an explaination for the uplift shall be recordered on the Voyage Report.
In accordance with the requirements of Operations Manual Part A you have to explain your decision to carry fuel in excess.
The pilot explains that the above letter is said to be added to the personal file of the pilot.
This is also written in the same letter. See a screendump of the letter here
http://s14.postimage.org/6ry3fzult/c...sonal_file.jpg
I can imagine if a pilot is working as a contractor (which >70% of the pilots is) a letter in your personal file is not something 'nice'
On the other hand: I understand that writing an explaination on the VR for taking over 300 kg like 'due to weather' is okay and no questions are asked.
According to this article the programme also mentioned the fuel league
Un comandante de Ryanair: «Te presionan y te recuerdan que estás quemando demasiado combustible» - ABC.es
I have not seen the complete programme.
preview :
Ryanair: al límite - laSexta
complete programme here
La Sexta - Vídeos de Equipo de Investigación TV - 11 de Enero de 2013
It also shows some customer complains.
Also Mr. Cullen of IALPA was interviewed.
Without watching the whole programme this seems to me more a sensational programme like UK scandal press than a serious, professional made programme. Alone the sensational background music shows the true intention of the programme.
the Ryanair letter says:
The Voyage Report (VR) indicated you were the commander of the ... FR. The VR shows that you carried xxx kg in excess of FPL/Block fuel without providing any explaination for the additional fuel carried.
Ops manual part A 8.1.7.8.6 sets out approved procedures for the uplift and usage of fuel.
Where departure fuel in more than 300 kg in excess of flight plan fuel an explaination for the uplift shall be recordered on the Voyage Report.
In accordance with the requirements of Operations Manual Part A you have to explain your decision to carry fuel in excess.
The pilot explains that the above letter is said to be added to the personal file of the pilot.
This is also written in the same letter. See a screendump of the letter here
http://s14.postimage.org/6ry3fzult/c...sonal_file.jpg
I can imagine if a pilot is working as a contractor (which >70% of the pilots is) a letter in your personal file is not something 'nice'
On the other hand: I understand that writing an explaination on the VR for taking over 300 kg like 'due to weather' is okay and no questions are asked.
According to this article the programme also mentioned the fuel league
Un comandante de Ryanair: «Te presionan y te recuerdan que estás quemando demasiado combustible» - ABC.es
I have not seen the complete programme.
preview :
Ryanair: al límite - laSexta
complete programme here
La Sexta - Vídeos de Equipo de Investigación TV - 11 de Enero de 2013
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From what I understand:
All Ryanair should explain on the Voyage Report the reason why they deciced to take more than 300 kg than listed on flightplan.
What I understand from postings at Pprune.org is that no questions are asked when a valid reason has been filled in on the VR.
If, as shown in the letter, a captain did *not* fill in a reason for taking over 300kg on the Voyage Report, he receives a standard letter that he should comply to the SOP of Ryanair. And that the *failure to explain* is added to his personal file.
All Ryanair should explain on the Voyage Report the reason why they deciced to take more than 300 kg than listed on flightplan.
What I understand from postings at Pprune.org is that no questions are asked when a valid reason has been filled in on the VR.
If, as shown in the letter, a captain did *not* fill in a reason for taking over 300kg on the Voyage Report, he receives a standard letter that he should comply to the SOP of Ryanair. And that the *failure to explain* is added to his personal file.
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Now thats good information! So if this is true RYR was disciplining crews for taking more taxi fuel then RYR put on the plog, even though this fuel was required for planning purposes.
Frankly this is ridiculous, as commanders we are allowed and indeed required to change the fuel numbers on the plog to reflect the actual planning situation. The plog is only the idea of a computer, thus thee can be mistakes, its not neccesarily a reflection of the actual planning conditions.
The number that roles out after adjustments is the minumum fuel required, on top of that extra fuel can be added.
I see no reason whatsoever to explain adjusting incorrect numbers!
Frankly this is ridiculous, as commanders we are allowed and indeed required to change the fuel numbers on the plog to reflect the actual planning situation. The plog is only the idea of a computer, thus thee can be mistakes, its not neccesarily a reflection of the actual planning conditions.
The number that roles out after adjustments is the minumum fuel required, on top of that extra fuel can be added.
I see no reason whatsoever to explain adjusting incorrect numbers!