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Old 8th Dec 2012, 13:00   #61 (permalink)
 
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There's nothing wrong with the Press Gazette headline, except that it's passive. Ryanair sues Sunday Times over safety story, surely?
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Old 10th Dec 2012, 14:19   #62 (permalink)
 
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Oh dear, looks like MOL is going to have to sue the Daily Mail too, their litigators are going to be awfully busy...

Ryanair plane carrying 141 passengers from Manchester nearly crashed over Germany after pilots tried new manoeuvre to make up lost time
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Old 10th Dec 2012, 14:51   #63 (permalink)
 
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Remarkable! Do Ryanair still use 30 year old B732?
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Old 10th Dec 2012, 16:16   #64 (permalink)
 
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Oh dear, looks like MOL is going to have to sue the Daily Mail too, their litigators are going to be awfully busy...
Plus, at the latest count, around 130 assorted comments by DM readers, some of which make those Aviation Herald posts look pretty tame by comparison.
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Old 10th Dec 2012, 16:37   #65 (permalink)
 
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From the Aviation Herald homepage:
Aviation Herald no longer under legal threat by Ryanair.
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Old 10th Dec 2012, 16:48   #66 (permalink)
 
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Excellent! ("Good" would have sufficed, but the forum has a minimum character limit )
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Old 10th Dec 2012, 17:18   #67 (permalink)
 
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Indeed. Here are some choice comments from Daily Mail readers:

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Ryanair is a disaster waiting to happen
- VirtualMaiden, Southport, United Kingdom, 10/12/2012 17:26

They are an accident looking to happen
- jonb, Leicester, 10/12/2012 17:10

Best be well insured when taking a Ryaniar flight
- Frenchiegirl, Paris. France, 10/12/2012 16:48

This cowboy company is going to have a serious accident one day and many lives will be lost, just to save pennies.
- sar02, wolverhampton, United Kingdom, 10/12/2012 16:34

Look! Just take a look at O'Leary, and ask yourself, 'Do I really trust this man with my LIFE!!!?
- Budgie, Blyth, 10/12/2012 16:10
I'm not a lawyer, but I'd always understood that defamation cases could only work if the plaintiff had a reputation to lose in the first place. Comments such as the above rather suggest that Ryanair doesn't, which is presumbly helpful for the media in future?

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Old 10th Dec 2012, 18:05   #68 (permalink)
 
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I am not a RYR fan because of their product and even perhaps more so because of their CEO's general attitude. I have never however considered them unsafe. They will have incidents just like any other carrier including the big boys. I believe that the major reason anything involving RYR is immediately targeted by a significant percentage of the public and the media is MOL himself. If they don't let him go (soon) and change their image he could eventually bring the airline down.
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Old 10th Dec 2012, 19:43   #69 (permalink)
 
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I'm not a lawyer, but I'd always understood that defamation cases could only work if the plaintiff had a reputation to lose in the first place.

It's clear you're not a lawyer, otherwise you'd know that repeating a libellous statement from another publication is the same as committing the original libel yourself. Congratulations, you've just earned PPRuNe a writ!
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Old 10th Dec 2012, 19:44   #70 (permalink)
 
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@HT Don't think so...

BBC News - Ryanair profits jump on traffic and fare rises

You're confusing the travelling masses with someone who gives a damn!
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Old 10th Dec 2012, 19:47   #71 (permalink)
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I don't think he will 'bring it down;' but dent it he certainly will and that will hurt. As I said on t'other thread, the damage he and his legal eagles are inflicting by focussing the world on this event is inestimable. Instead of saying - dreadful mis-handling, duff crew, have been disciplined, well below the high standards we set, etc etc they wallow in fighting the obvious.

What happened to King Canute?

EDIT: WP - 'old news' - that reporting period had not seen the madness of King Michael. Now that he and his team have actually encouraged the common press to take note, I think we will see a difference.

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Old 10th Dec 2012, 20:05   #72 (permalink)
 
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Whiskey Papa, yes that's certainly the position at present. However, given the right amunition those masses could quite rapidly turn tail.
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Old 10th Dec 2012, 20:28   #73 (permalink)
 
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given the right amunition those masses could quite rapidly turn tail.
Maybe. OTOH one of M.O.L's smartest moves was starting up routes out of thinly served regional airports - many people won't drive more than an hour to an airport and for them Ryanair is now the only means of travel between their home and family /weekend home/future retirement pad/weekday place of work. Those folk are either happy to accept the FR package or if not grumble like mad but eventually 'fess up that they have no choice but to continue flying with them.

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Old 10th Dec 2012, 20:36   #74 (permalink)
 
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The Aviation Herald NO LONGER under legal threat by Ryanair

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News: The Aviation Herald NO LONGER under legal threat by Ryanair
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Old 10th Dec 2012, 21:15   #75 (permalink)
 
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I've been coming to this site for six years and seen hundreds of posts slagging off FR, predicting bankruptcy,disaster and worse. Yet conversely this site generally agrees that the FR fleet is one of the newest and best maintained (and largest) fleet in Europe. It also suggests that flight crew training is good.

Despite some inept marketing, often tongue in cheek, and questionable pricing tactics, FR continues to grow and make a profit. I've never seen miserable cabin crew (I fly FR 12-15 times a year) and whilst only a PPL, I've never seen any dangerous practices. Their safety record is second to none and is excellent per passenger mile and is a good place to start when deciding which airline to fly with. Try looking at AF.

I accept that flight crew have a massive gripe with employment conditions but if I (and the rest of the masses) fly with another airline that's more likely to result in less aircrew jobs. Is that what you want? I understand and sympathise with much of FR crew grievances but I also have professional difficulties of my own, it's not a monopoly! So FR is affordable, convienient and will, I'm willing to wager, continue to grow.

I'll get me hard hat...incoming!!!
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Old 10th Dec 2012, 21:24   #76 (permalink)
 
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No WP. No need for the tin hat. You speak true.
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Old 10th Dec 2012, 21:31   #77 (permalink)
 
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.....until they really start worrying about their safety.
Why should they?
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Old 10th Dec 2012, 21:33   #78 (permalink)
 
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Enjoy the view!
Yeah, 33c aint a bad seat. Pull your head in dude. 33c is your customer. You know, the fellea who pays the wages we recieve, gives us a job and comments on our landings. Jeasus christ. The attitude of some here make me freekin puke. SLF with a PPL. They still fly Get over yourself.
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Old 10th Dec 2012, 22:02   #79 (permalink)
 
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until they really start worrying about their safety.
It's all IMHO of course but I'm not sure when they will .

From personal experience (conversations I've had with other Brit expats) I've found that if "they" do admit to worrying about any aspect of FR they'll then always add the caveat that at the end of the day FR provide the only affordable service between an airport very near where they are and an airport very near where they want to go.

I'm not saying I agree with their logic or sentiments but I do think MOL has been very clever ( or has been very fortunate) at generating what is effectively a captive market in many parts of Western Europe.

For completeness I don't work for FR and I'm not defending their culture.

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Old 10th Dec 2012, 22:22   #80 (permalink)
 
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At one point, the plane was just 450ft (150m) above the ground while dropping at a rate of 500ft/sec, according to the interim report.
I see the Mail is maintaining its usual high standard of journalism!
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