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Old 2nd Apr 2012, 03:30   #1 (permalink)
 
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Utair ATR 72 Crash in Siberia

News coming out (Bbc) saying likely most on board didnt survive.

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Old 2nd Apr 2012, 03:32   #2 (permalink)
 
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Al Jazeera saying a UTAir crash in Siberia, they operate ATRs. 41 people on board 9 have been rescued.
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Old 2nd Apr 2012, 03:48   #3 (permalink)
 
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From Reuters

A Russian passenger plane with 43 people on board crashed in Siberia on Monday, killing at least 16 people while 12 survivors were rescued, an emergency official said.
The ATR 72, a twin-engine, turbo-prop plane, crashed some 30-35 km (18-22 miles) from the western Siberian city of Tyumen, Emergency Situations Ministry spokeswoman Irina Andrianova said.
She told Reuters 12 people were rescued and 16 bodies had been found at the crash site. According to preliminary information, there were 39 passengers and four crew on board
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Old 2nd Apr 2012, 04:21   #4 (permalink)
 
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And so ends the longest period without a fatal airline crash...almost 6 months.
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One more died, 11 survivors, according to Russia's English language RT: Siberian plane crash kills dozens
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Old 2nd Apr 2012, 07:54   #7 (permalink)
 
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Crashed after take-off about 3 km beyond RW end:
Wikimapia - Let's describe the whole world!



METAR USTR 020200Z 24007MPS 9999 SCT013CB M01/M01 Q1003
TEMPO 26015MPS 1500 SHSN BLSN BKN005 RMK QFE742/0990 21290060 30750029

TAF USTR 020135Z 0203/0303 25008G13MPS 4000 -SHSN BLSN BKN007 BKN020CB
TEMPO 0203/0209 25015MPS1500 SHSN BKN005 BKN015CB
Airplane is 20 y.o., 50000 landings
PIC 27 y.o., F.O. 23y.o.
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UTair Flight 120 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 2nd Apr 2012, 09:16   #9 (permalink)
 
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Latest rumour:
Only this airplane has not been de-iced this morning at USTR...
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Old 2nd Apr 2012, 09:49   #10 (permalink)
 
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I had the misfortune of using this airline (also was an ATR-72) from VKO-VNO just over a year ago. Everything down from ticket issuance to inflight conditions was some kind of ludicrous circus show. As I understood they were also banned from entering EU airspace at one stage. You could have a more pleasant flying experience in the cargo hold of a Congolese military jet...
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Old 2nd Apr 2012, 11:57   #11 (permalink)
 
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aditya104; Whilst the top video you've posted shows what looks like an ATR, the bottom one shows a variety of aeroplanes of various types and colours and seems unrelated. Where did that come from ?


OK PM noted ... video now removed and replaced....

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Old 2nd Apr 2012, 12:45   #12 (permalink)
 
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Harsh comments

That's a little unfair - I have used UT and its pre-decessor for many years. In fact I flew in one of their brand new atr 72-500s only last week. They are a very large organisation with more than 100 aircraft and also a very large helicopter operation
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Old 2nd Apr 2012, 13:27   #13 (permalink)

 
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according to USA Fox News, smoke was observed trailing from an engine, and then
the plane attempted a return to the airport...landed/crashed 1 mile short of runway
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Old 2nd Apr 2012, 14:38   #14 (permalink)
 
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Supporting Birmingham's point. Flew domestic on their ATRs and everything looked nice (from a pax cabin perspective). No reason to come up with unfair clichés. Let's just wait for the facts.
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Sad

Feel sad for the pax and crew family ...
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Old 2nd Apr 2012, 16:10   #16 (permalink)
 
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Flew domestic on their ATRs and everything looked nice (from a pax cabin perspective)
Sorry, but what does that have to do with safety? Many "nice" looking planes have crashed.

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They are a very large organisation with more than 100 aircraft and also a very large helicopter operation
Again, what does being large have to do with safety?

Both of you run in UTair's defense by claiming other's comments to be harsh, but they are merely detailing the experience he had. What is so harsh about that?

ATRs and ice, that is where I would be looking first.
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Old 2nd Apr 2012, 16:10   #17 (permalink)
 
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Sorry can't have arbitrary slanging.
I regularly fly 2-3 airlines over here.
My favourite is S7.

2nd,- UTAIR has a good safety record.

Can't stand AeroFlop especially since flight SU821.

Now, it's not the usual excuse of it being a russian made plane or stepping on the brakes taking off, or flying sideways because they got trained on a TU instead of a 737.

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Old 2nd Apr 2012, 16:22   #18 (permalink)
 
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Hi,

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ATRs and ice, that is where I would be looking first
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according to USA Fox News, smoke was observed trailing from an engine
ATRs and smoke , that is where I would looking first
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Courtesy RT


Courtesy RBC Daily

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Old 2nd Apr 2012, 18:43   #20 (permalink)
 
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News is now saying they DIDN'T de-ice the plane.
"quoting the airport's deputy director, Vladimir Nyesmachny"

Pilot decision.. (sounds like buck passing taking place).

I forgot this one also from last week, but couldn't find the headline.
Only TWO in one day,-

Two Planes Forced to Land With Engine Failure | News | The Moscow Times

Probably more buck passing taking place here too
http://www.premier.gov.ru/eng/premie...ru/4508/print/

, in the light of the very minimal improvement in air safety since Medvedev declared last year TU, AN, JAK to be too old and unfit for service.

I wonder what excuse will be given now it's Putin officially back in the saddle, and this was no ancient french-italian aircraft kit, but run by one of the best & largest, UTAIR.

On the good side;-
Looks like the amount of soft snow around probably saved some of the PAX.

FYI
Here it's those unique conditions you find for 2 weeks or so a year during the big thaw.
Sub zero night temps, very high humidity, followed by +6C day time temps.

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