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From the FDX ALPA Message Line 25-1-07. Captain Prater is the new ALPA President 01-01-07.
Comments released by Capt. Prater:
"I met with FAA Administrator Marion Blakey during the first week of the new year. One of the items that Administrator Blakey raised was the Age 60 Rule. She advised me that the FAA will put the current Age 60 Rule into the internal rulemaking process at the FAA, which will result in a Notice of Proposed Rule Making (NPRM) sometime during the second half of this year.
At this time, I have put together an internal working group to plan how the Association will deal with the NPRM. I can tell you this much - we will deal with it, we will include our governing bodies and line pilots, and we will, to the best of our ability, keep Age 60 from continuing to be a wedge issue within our membership.
The FAA Administrator, in updating us on her plan for the NPRM on Age 60, advised us that she will task the Aviation Rulemaking Committee (ARC) with further direction in the near future. I have accepted her request to co-chair the ARC and met with Jim May, who heads the Air Transport Association, last Friday. We can expect the ATA to make implementation recommendations during the NPRM process, and we will ensure that our members' views and concerns are also addressed."
Comments released by Capt. Prater:
"I met with FAA Administrator Marion Blakey during the first week of the new year. One of the items that Administrator Blakey raised was the Age 60 Rule. She advised me that the FAA will put the current Age 60 Rule into the internal rulemaking process at the FAA, which will result in a Notice of Proposed Rule Making (NPRM) sometime during the second half of this year.
At this time, I have put together an internal working group to plan how the Association will deal with the NPRM. I can tell you this much - we will deal with it, we will include our governing bodies and line pilots, and we will, to the best of our ability, keep Age 60 from continuing to be a wedge issue within our membership.
The FAA Administrator, in updating us on her plan for the NPRM on Age 60, advised us that she will task the Aviation Rulemaking Committee (ARC) with further direction in the near future. I have accepted her request to co-chair the ARC and met with Jim May, who heads the Air Transport Association, last Friday. We can expect the ATA to make implementation recommendations during the NPRM process, and we will ensure that our members' views and concerns are also addressed."
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110th U.S. Congress (2007-2008)
S. 65: A bill to modify the age-60 standard for certain pilots and for other purposes
S 65 IS
110th CONGRESS
1st Session
S. 65
To modify the age-60 standard for certain pilots and for other purposes.
IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES
January 4, 2007
Mr. INHOFE (for himself, Mr. STEVENS, Mr. LIEBERMAN, and Mr. FEINGOLD) introduced the following bill; which was read twice and referred to the Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation
A BILL
To modify the age-60 standard for certain pilots and for other purposes.
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,
SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.
This Act may be cited as the `Freedom to Fly Act of 2007'.
SEC. 2. MODIFICATION OF FAA'S AGE-60 STANDARD.
(a) In General- A pilot who has attained 60 years of age may serve as a pilot of an aircraft operated by an air carrier engaged in operations under part 121 of title 14, Code of Federal Regulations, until attaining 65 years of age only if the pilot serves--
(1) as a required pilot in multi-crew aircraft operations; and
(2) with another pilot serving as a required pilot in such multi-crew aircraft operations who has not yet attained 60 years of age.
(b) Sunset of Age-60 Rule-
(1) IN GENERAL- On and after the effective date described in subsection (e), section 121.383(c) of title 14, Code of Federal Regulations shall have no further force or effect.
(2) REGULATIONS- Not later than 30 days after the effective date described in subsection (e), the Secretary of Transportation shall take such action as may be necessary to implement paragraph (1) and to modify the regulations relating to pilot privileges by reason of age.
(c) Applicability- The provisions of subsection (a) shall not provide a basis for a claim of seniority under any labor agreement in effect between a recognized bargaining unit for pilots and an air carrier engaged in operations under part 121 of title 14, Code of Federal Regulations, that is made by a person who was a pilot and who attained 60 years of age before the effective date described in subsection (e) and is seeking a position as a pilot with such air carrier following that person's termination or cessation of employment or promotion or transfer to another position with such air carrier pursuant to section 121.383(c) of title 14, Code of Federal Regulations, as in effect on the day before the effective date described in subsection (e).
(d) GAO Report After Modification of Age-60 Standard- Not later than 24 months after the effective date described in subsection (e), the Comptroller General of the United States shall report to the Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation of the Senate and the Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure of the House of Representatives concerning the effect on aviation safety, if any, of the modification of the age standard contained in subsection (a).
(e) Effective Date- This Act shall take effect on the date that is 30 days after the date of the enactment of this Act.
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110th U.S. Congress (2007-2008)
S. 65: A bill to modify the age-60 standard for certain pilots and for other purposes
S 65 IS
110th CONGRESS
1st Session
S. 65
To modify the age-60 standard for certain pilots and for other purposes.
IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES
January 4, 2007
Mr. INHOFE (for himself, Mr. STEVENS, Mr. LIEBERMAN, and Mr. FEINGOLD) introduced the following bill; which was read twice and referred to the Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation
A BILL
To modify the age-60 standard for certain pilots and for other purposes.
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,
SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.
This Act may be cited as the `Freedom to Fly Act of 2007'.
SEC. 2. MODIFICATION OF FAA'S AGE-60 STANDARD.
(a) In General- A pilot who has attained 60 years of age may serve as a pilot of an aircraft operated by an air carrier engaged in operations under part 121 of title 14, Code of Federal Regulations, until attaining 65 years of age only if the pilot serves--
(1) as a required pilot in multi-crew aircraft operations; and
(2) with another pilot serving as a required pilot in such multi-crew aircraft operations who has not yet attained 60 years of age.
(b) Sunset of Age-60 Rule-
(1) IN GENERAL- On and after the effective date described in subsection (e), section 121.383(c) of title 14, Code of Federal Regulations shall have no further force or effect.
(2) REGULATIONS- Not later than 30 days after the effective date described in subsection (e), the Secretary of Transportation shall take such action as may be necessary to implement paragraph (1) and to modify the regulations relating to pilot privileges by reason of age.
(c) Applicability- The provisions of subsection (a) shall not provide a basis for a claim of seniority under any labor agreement in effect between a recognized bargaining unit for pilots and an air carrier engaged in operations under part 121 of title 14, Code of Federal Regulations, that is made by a person who was a pilot and who attained 60 years of age before the effective date described in subsection (e) and is seeking a position as a pilot with such air carrier following that person's termination or cessation of employment or promotion or transfer to another position with such air carrier pursuant to section 121.383(c) of title 14, Code of Federal Regulations, as in effect on the day before the effective date described in subsection (e).
(d) GAO Report After Modification of Age-60 Standard- Not later than 24 months after the effective date described in subsection (e), the Comptroller General of the United States shall report to the Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation of the Senate and the Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure of the House of Representatives concerning the effect on aviation safety, if any, of the modification of the age standard contained in subsection (a).
(e) Effective Date- This Act shall take effect on the date that is 30 days after the date of the enactment of this Act.
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Will this cause some shifts in payscales?
If I fly with a Captain that is 63, I am in fact PIC of said airplane. Does this mean a reduction of pay for the older pilot, and an increase for the younger pilot?
This is as dumb as the staggered adult at 18, you can drink Vodka when you are twenty. Either let the old guys fly until 65 or don't. (My vote is to let them fly by the way, I think it is stupid to make them retire because of a birthday)
If I fly with a Captain that is 63, I am in fact PIC of said airplane. Does this mean a reduction of pay for the older pilot, and an increase for the younger pilot?
This is as dumb as the staggered adult at 18, you can drink Vodka when you are twenty. Either let the old guys fly until 65 or don't. (My vote is to let them fly by the way, I think it is stupid to make them retire because of a birthday)
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Then I guess the 727 crew must consider the FE the PIC because they can not fly without him either. I think the pay will not change for the FO's under 60 to keep the captain legal. Sorry. I know. It was a joke.
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The 65 age limit is here with us to stay. Let us be realistic:
1. I flew with some old timers (most still alive) who had to retire at 60 when they were in great shape and it sad to see them go - ( I am not a doctor/expert).
2. The issue has more to do with contracts and the need to retire early. For those who are in aviation for the love of it, the fact that you need a nest egg while important is not the driving factor. For those in it for the money for whom time spent in the cockpit is considered sacrifice for a good pension it is an issue.
3. The 65 rule is here to stay. The best way to handle it is to manage it properly than be emotional over it, so that it benefits the pilots.
4. The modern world is complex and I have come face to face with pilots who tell you they are only in it for the status and money.
5. A number of pilots have lost their pensions or face reduced pensions because of failed airlines/accountants who deeped into pension funds and the only way to survive beyond 60 is to continue working or face destitution.
So let those who can afford at to retire at 40,50,60, or 65 do so at their own bidding than be forced into destitution by arbitrary age numbers that have nothing do with reality and modern life.
1. I flew with some old timers (most still alive) who had to retire at 60 when they were in great shape and it sad to see them go - ( I am not a doctor/expert).
2. The issue has more to do with contracts and the need to retire early. For those who are in aviation for the love of it, the fact that you need a nest egg while important is not the driving factor. For those in it for the money for whom time spent in the cockpit is considered sacrifice for a good pension it is an issue.
3. The 65 rule is here to stay. The best way to handle it is to manage it properly than be emotional over it, so that it benefits the pilots.
4. The modern world is complex and I have come face to face with pilots who tell you they are only in it for the status and money.
5. A number of pilots have lost their pensions or face reduced pensions because of failed airlines/accountants who deeped into pension funds and the only way to survive beyond 60 is to continue working or face destitution.
So let those who can afford at to retire at 40,50,60, or 65 do so at their own bidding than be forced into destitution by arbitrary age numbers that have nothing do with reality and modern life.
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FAA to Propose Raising
Pilot Retirement Age
By ANDY PASZTOR
January 29, 2007 5:34 p.m.
LOS ANGELES -- U.S. aviation regulators are expected to announce as early as Tuesday that they will formally propose raising the mandatory retirement age for commercial pilots to 65 years from the current limit of 60 years, according to industry officials familiar with the matter.
Federal Aviation Administration chief Marion Blakey's anticipated proposal allowing older pilots to stay behind the controls reverses decades of strong agency support for the 60-year retirement limit. The shift comes as international aviation rules increasingly permit such changes. Meanwhile, the leadership of largest U.S. pilot union is moving to abandon previous hard-line opposition to raising the retirement age. And recent research on brain functioning could provide ammunition to counter arguments that older pilots would mean increased safety risks.
By opting to begin formal rulemaking -- a process that will solicit a wide range of views and potentially could be controversial enough to delay a decision for 18 months or longer -- the FAA is relying partly on the notion that there isn't any solid scientific evidence to justify maintaining the current limit. Indeed, recent discoveries of brain functions suggest that for many older people, experience and ingrained patterns of thinking actually can help keep them at the top of their game as pilots, air-traffic controllers and in other professions. Some tests, for example, have revealed that older controllers in their 60s were able to handle simulated emergencies as well or better than younger ones.
A hotly contested rulemaking could last for 18 months or longer. But if pilot unions and other groups adopt a conciliatory stance and don't lob in a barrage of objections, a so-called fast track rulemaking could be completed more quickly, according to industry officials familiar with the issue.
The Air Line Pilots Association, the largest U.S. pilot union, had been a staunch opponent of raising the retirement age, with surveys showing that a majority of its members supported the 60-year limit that makes it easier for younger pilots to move up in seniority. But John Prater, the recently elected president of ALPA, campaigned on pledge to rethink and perhaps abandon that position. Tough economic conditions for the industry have eroded pilot pensions and wages, prompting more veteran pilots to look to extend their careers and add to their earnings.
The International Civil Aviation Organization, a United Nations agency that sets nonbinding global safety standards, last November determined that airline pilots could safely stay behind the controls until they turn 65, as long as the other pilot in the cockpit is younger than 60. FAA officials have told industry officials that their proposal adopting the same principle will be laid out tomorrow, when the FAA chief delivers a speech to the National Press Club in Washington.
And FAA spokeswoman said that the agency has been "looking very closely at whether we should adopt the ICAO standard." Last-minute discussions with White House officials threatened to delay the announcement, but industry officials said the FAA is now ready to announce its new position. The decision follows weeks of FAA signals and news reports, starting with a story in the Wall Street Journal last December, that the agency was leaning toward a change.
The 60-year rule was established nearly 40 years ago, based on political and economic considerations, rather than scientific research. But reflecting the divisive nature of the issue, an FAA-created study group of airline and pilot representatives in November failed to reach consensus on changing the retirement age. The only thing the group agreed on was that any change, if it comes, shouldn't be retroactive because it would be too hard to reinstate retired pilots into the crew rotation and seniority systems.
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Pilot Retirement Age
By ANDY PASZTOR
January 29, 2007 5:34 p.m.
LOS ANGELES -- U.S. aviation regulators are expected to announce as early as Tuesday that they will formally propose raising the mandatory retirement age for commercial pilots to 65 years from the current limit of 60 years, according to industry officials familiar with the matter.
Federal Aviation Administration chief Marion Blakey's anticipated proposal allowing older pilots to stay behind the controls reverses decades of strong agency support for the 60-year retirement limit. The shift comes as international aviation rules increasingly permit such changes. Meanwhile, the leadership of largest U.S. pilot union is moving to abandon previous hard-line opposition to raising the retirement age. And recent research on brain functioning could provide ammunition to counter arguments that older pilots would mean increased safety risks.
By opting to begin formal rulemaking -- a process that will solicit a wide range of views and potentially could be controversial enough to delay a decision for 18 months or longer -- the FAA is relying partly on the notion that there isn't any solid scientific evidence to justify maintaining the current limit. Indeed, recent discoveries of brain functions suggest that for many older people, experience and ingrained patterns of thinking actually can help keep them at the top of their game as pilots, air-traffic controllers and in other professions. Some tests, for example, have revealed that older controllers in their 60s were able to handle simulated emergencies as well or better than younger ones.
A hotly contested rulemaking could last for 18 months or longer. But if pilot unions and other groups adopt a conciliatory stance and don't lob in a barrage of objections, a so-called fast track rulemaking could be completed more quickly, according to industry officials familiar with the issue.
The Air Line Pilots Association, the largest U.S. pilot union, had been a staunch opponent of raising the retirement age, with surveys showing that a majority of its members supported the 60-year limit that makes it easier for younger pilots to move up in seniority. But John Prater, the recently elected president of ALPA, campaigned on pledge to rethink and perhaps abandon that position. Tough economic conditions for the industry have eroded pilot pensions and wages, prompting more veteran pilots to look to extend their careers and add to their earnings.
The International Civil Aviation Organization, a United Nations agency that sets nonbinding global safety standards, last November determined that airline pilots could safely stay behind the controls until they turn 65, as long as the other pilot in the cockpit is younger than 60. FAA officials have told industry officials that their proposal adopting the same principle will be laid out tomorrow, when the FAA chief delivers a speech to the National Press Club in Washington.
And FAA spokeswoman said that the agency has been "looking very closely at whether we should adopt the ICAO standard." Last-minute discussions with White House officials threatened to delay the announcement, but industry officials said the FAA is now ready to announce its new position. The decision follows weeks of FAA signals and news reports, starting with a story in the Wall Street Journal last December, that the agency was leaning toward a change.
The 60-year rule was established nearly 40 years ago, based on political and economic considerations, rather than scientific research. But reflecting the divisive nature of the issue, an FAA-created study group of airline and pilot representatives in November failed to reach consensus on changing the retirement age. The only thing the group agreed on was that any change, if it comes, shouldn't be retroactive because it would be too hard to reinstate retired pilots into the crew rotation and seniority systems.
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So let those who can afford at to retire at 40,50,60, or 65 do so at their own bidding than be forced into destitution by arbitrary age numbers that have nothing do with reality and modern life.
There is a small group who will be captains for another 5 years. The rest of us will be F/O's for another 5 years, or S/O's, or unemployed. This change would have a huge financial impact on a majority of US pilots.
My company has already decided to stop hiring until this mess is settled. It's already costing people money.
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Reports: FAA To Raise Pilot Retirement Age To 65
Tue, 30 Jan '07
Blakey May Announce Change In DC Speech
Is the FAA relenting on its "Age 60" rule? There are indications the agency will soon seek new regulations allowing commercial pilots to remain in the cockpit until the age of 65, as long as the second pilot onboard is younger than 60.
CBS News reports FAA Administrator Marion Blakey will make an announcement Tuesday, in her speech at the National Press Club in Washington, DC.
If enacted, the new regulations would mirror similar standards adapted by the International Civil Aviation Organization last November.
As Aero-News reported, a committee of airline and industry representatives, convened at Blakey's request to study the issue, disbanded in December without consensus on the issue. Each side instead presented its respective arguments.
In an odd bit of circumstance, the "Age 60" rule -- which forced pilots flying for commercial passenger airlines to retire at 60 years of age -- was enacted in 1960. While it was somewhat controversial from the start, pilots initially had little reason to complain; after all, older pilots could look forward to healthy pensions upon retirement, while younger pilots were eager to fill the seats vacated by their predecessors. Capping the maximum age for the highest-paid senior-level pilots also allowed airlines to keep their costs in check, at least in theory.
Alas, that was then... and this is a very harsh now. In the face of declining retirement benefits, older pilots have fought to remain in the cockpit -- and, thus, earning a paycheck -- as long as they can. That phenomenon hasn't been limited to the US, either... one reason ICAO adapted the easier standards last year.
Of course, one thing hasn't changed: younger pilots are still hungry for promotion into the left seat, and a reversal of Age 60 would create additional roadblocks for them. Pilots still waiting to come off furlough would also be hit.
The FAA has stated for years it was concerned older pilots may be more prone to health issues... a position several medical experts have denounced, due to the lack of scientific evidence to back it up.
Since the ICAO standards went into effect, nearly all pilots flying for foreign airlines -- except airlines in Colombia, France, and Pakistan -- have been allowed to keep their jobs past the age of 60.
That has presented something of a Catch-22 situation for the United States... as it was forced to accept the ICAO standard for pilots at the controls of foreign airliners flying into the US, even as it adhered to the Age 60 rule for pilots under the agency's jurisdiction.
http://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?C...5-b820b29ae6ba
Tue, 30 Jan '07
Blakey May Announce Change In DC Speech
Is the FAA relenting on its "Age 60" rule? There are indications the agency will soon seek new regulations allowing commercial pilots to remain in the cockpit until the age of 65, as long as the second pilot onboard is younger than 60.
CBS News reports FAA Administrator Marion Blakey will make an announcement Tuesday, in her speech at the National Press Club in Washington, DC.
If enacted, the new regulations would mirror similar standards adapted by the International Civil Aviation Organization last November.
As Aero-News reported, a committee of airline and industry representatives, convened at Blakey's request to study the issue, disbanded in December without consensus on the issue. Each side instead presented its respective arguments.
In an odd bit of circumstance, the "Age 60" rule -- which forced pilots flying for commercial passenger airlines to retire at 60 years of age -- was enacted in 1960. While it was somewhat controversial from the start, pilots initially had little reason to complain; after all, older pilots could look forward to healthy pensions upon retirement, while younger pilots were eager to fill the seats vacated by their predecessors. Capping the maximum age for the highest-paid senior-level pilots also allowed airlines to keep their costs in check, at least in theory.
Alas, that was then... and this is a very harsh now. In the face of declining retirement benefits, older pilots have fought to remain in the cockpit -- and, thus, earning a paycheck -- as long as they can. That phenomenon hasn't been limited to the US, either... one reason ICAO adapted the easier standards last year.
Of course, one thing hasn't changed: younger pilots are still hungry for promotion into the left seat, and a reversal of Age 60 would create additional roadblocks for them. Pilots still waiting to come off furlough would also be hit.
The FAA has stated for years it was concerned older pilots may be more prone to health issues... a position several medical experts have denounced, due to the lack of scientific evidence to back it up.
Since the ICAO standards went into effect, nearly all pilots flying for foreign airlines -- except airlines in Colombia, France, and Pakistan -- have been allowed to keep their jobs past the age of 60.
That has presented something of a Catch-22 situation for the United States... as it was forced to accept the ICAO standard for pilots at the controls of foreign airliners flying into the US, even as it adhered to the Age 60 rule for pilots under the agency's jurisdiction.
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Blame the Govt
I think the inevitability of "65" is more to with government short sightedness with respect to average male/female life expectancy increase, and the resultant demands on state coffers i.e. Pensions than it is for "is it SAFE" to allow these old Drivers to burn rubber.........all window dressing for big lobbies like Insurance companies.
To the disenchanted;65 is just the start of the end, check out other 1st world country forced retirements from the front end.......
To the senior F/Os I say start a physical regime on O/Nights..... the obituary will be Captain "died behind the Pole at age 80".
Cheers.
To the disenchanted;65 is just the start of the end, check out other 1st world country forced retirements from the front end.......
To the senior F/Os I say start a physical regime on O/Nights..... the obituary will be Captain "died behind the Pole at age 80".
Cheers.
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HUCK . . . if indeed you're a FedExer in the right seat of a trimotor, then you're not indigent. An extra 5 years before an upgrade sounds more like an ego thing rather than a financial calamity. Besides, you can reclaim those "5-years" beginning at age 60. 
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I feel the need to vent but you have raised the spectre of my ego being a problem, so let me meekly and humbly submit:
- It's the time value of money. I won't insult you by reciting it here. In no way does it compensate me to work another five years after I'm 60.
- There is a 25% chance I will lose my medical before those further five years, due to the night freight lifestyle (this is documented at my company).
- There is a HUGE chance that my pension will go the way of the dodo before I turn 65 (freighters are just waiting for their turn in the barrel over here). It is even more important, therefore, that my earnings are maximized early.
- Perhaps you may not believe me, but crawling out to the mighty dog at 10 pm in Osaka to start a 14 hour day, my ego would not be measurably boosted by a switch to the left seat. Besides, I've been an MD11 captain before, so I can close my eyes and murmur that to myself when I'm feeling wee.
It's all money, Glueball. On both sides. Don't kid yourself.
- It's the time value of money. I won't insult you by reciting it here. In no way does it compensate me to work another five years after I'm 60.
- There is a 25% chance I will lose my medical before those further five years, due to the night freight lifestyle (this is documented at my company).
- There is a HUGE chance that my pension will go the way of the dodo before I turn 65 (freighters are just waiting for their turn in the barrel over here). It is even more important, therefore, that my earnings are maximized early.
- Perhaps you may not believe me, but crawling out to the mighty dog at 10 pm in Osaka to start a 14 hour day, my ego would not be measurably boosted by a switch to the left seat. Besides, I've been an MD11 captain before, so I can close my eyes and murmur that to myself when I'm feeling wee.
It's all money, Glueball. On both sides. Don't kid yourself.
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Just because the FAA has issued an NPRM doesn't necessarily mean that it will become law. I remember an NPRM a few years ago when the Fed's wanted to change antiquated duty regs. It was later abandoned when there was no consensus between the interested parties. Age 65 may well be innevitable at this point but it ain't over until the fat FAA administrator sings. This will take years.
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FAA Offers to Raise Pilot Retirement Age
© 2007 The Associated Press
WASHINGTON — Airline pilots would be allowed to fly until they turn 65 instead of the current mandatory retirement age of 60 under new rules proposed by the Federal Aviation Administration.
At least one member of a flight crew would still have to be under 60 under the proposal announced Tuesday by agency administrator Marion Blakey.
The FAA's proposal mirrors a rule adopted in November by the International Civil Aviation Organization, a United Nations group.
Blakey said it's important to adhere to international aviation standards and that pilots are living longer, healthier lives.
"Is there a group of employees in better shape than pilots?" Blakey said at a luncheon speech.
She said it would take 18 months to two years for the rule to be put into place. It won't affect pilots who reach retirement age before it takes effect, she said.
Blakey last year ordered a forum of airline, labor and medical experts to recommend whether the United States should raise the age limit. By November, the group hadn't reached a consensus, but outlined the pros and cons of the issue.
Those who favored raising the retirement age said there was no medical evidence that older pilots were unsafe.
Those who oppose raising the retirement age, including leaders of the Air Line Pilots Association, said the safety impact of changing the retirement age hasn't been analyzed.
A lot of pilots want to work longer because their pensions were slashed after their airlines sought bankruptcy protection.
"Many pilots have taken huge penalties to their pensions, and this is a way to recoup some of that," said Carl Kuwitzky, president of the Southwest Airlines Pilots' Association, which has lobbied for the change.
Kuwitzky said many 60-year-old pilots enjoy their careers and are in excellent health.
"They want to continue to fly for a number of years," Kuwitzky said.
Flight Safety Foundation President William Voss said raising the retirement age could help alleviate a pilot shortage.
"With a desperate shortage of pilots in much of the world, it makes no sense to force experienced, qualified and healthy pilots to retire while airlines are scrambling to fill those seats," Voss said.
AARP issued a statement applauding the change. "Today's FAA announcement is an important signal that workers should be judged on the basis of their individual ability, not on unfounded assumptions and stereotypes about age," said David Certner, AARP's legislative policy director.
Since the international standard changed, foreign pilots have been able to fly in the United States up to age 65, as long as they're accompanied by a co-pilot under 60 and undergo medical testing every six months.
The FAA doesn't have to comply with the international standard for pilots' retirement age, as long as it can show a reason not to.
© 2007 The Associated Press
WASHINGTON — Airline pilots would be allowed to fly until they turn 65 instead of the current mandatory retirement age of 60 under new rules proposed by the Federal Aviation Administration.
At least one member of a flight crew would still have to be under 60 under the proposal announced Tuesday by agency administrator Marion Blakey.
The FAA's proposal mirrors a rule adopted in November by the International Civil Aviation Organization, a United Nations group.
Blakey said it's important to adhere to international aviation standards and that pilots are living longer, healthier lives.
"Is there a group of employees in better shape than pilots?" Blakey said at a luncheon speech.
She said it would take 18 months to two years for the rule to be put into place. It won't affect pilots who reach retirement age before it takes effect, she said.
Blakey last year ordered a forum of airline, labor and medical experts to recommend whether the United States should raise the age limit. By November, the group hadn't reached a consensus, but outlined the pros and cons of the issue.
Those who favored raising the retirement age said there was no medical evidence that older pilots were unsafe.
Those who oppose raising the retirement age, including leaders of the Air Line Pilots Association, said the safety impact of changing the retirement age hasn't been analyzed.
A lot of pilots want to work longer because their pensions were slashed after their airlines sought bankruptcy protection.
"Many pilots have taken huge penalties to their pensions, and this is a way to recoup some of that," said Carl Kuwitzky, president of the Southwest Airlines Pilots' Association, which has lobbied for the change.
Kuwitzky said many 60-year-old pilots enjoy their careers and are in excellent health.
"They want to continue to fly for a number of years," Kuwitzky said.
Flight Safety Foundation President William Voss said raising the retirement age could help alleviate a pilot shortage.
"With a desperate shortage of pilots in much of the world, it makes no sense to force experienced, qualified and healthy pilots to retire while airlines are scrambling to fill those seats," Voss said.
AARP issued a statement applauding the change. "Today's FAA announcement is an important signal that workers should be judged on the basis of their individual ability, not on unfounded assumptions and stereotypes about age," said David Certner, AARP's legislative policy director.
Since the international standard changed, foreign pilots have been able to fly in the United States up to age 65, as long as they're accompanied by a co-pilot under 60 and undergo medical testing every six months.
The FAA doesn't have to comply with the international standard for pilots' retirement age, as long as it can show a reason not to.
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Those who favored raising the retirement age said there was no medical evidence that older pilots were unsafe.
As Huck said before, this is just about the money. Otherwise, why raise the limit for 65. Is there any studies supporting that after 65 it's unsafe? If not, why can't I fly until I can't get my medical anymore?
Oh, and if you're wondering, I'm already on the left seat. I just don't like to have the rules changed in the middle of the game.
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Is there any studies supporting that after 65 it's unsafe? If not, why can't I fly until I can't get my medical anymore?
I personally have no wish to continue beyond 60 years of age (at this moment in time), but who knows what life events may conspire to change the current view. (Could be divorce, could be the need to look after ageing parents)
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Get used to it...
Yep, the youngsters will just have to put up with the age increase.
It had to happen at some point, certainly.
Now, some might say...well you, 411A are displacing a younger guy, cheating him out of a command sooner.
Nope, not so.
The younger guys all want to fly the bright shiny new aeroplanes, not 'ole Lockheed tri-motors.
Now, if they did, I have a current TRE/IRE and will be happy to teach 'em how...
It had to happen at some point, certainly.
Now, some might say...well you, 411A are displacing a younger guy, cheating him out of a command sooner.
Nope, not so.
The younger guys all want to fly the bright shiny new aeroplanes, not 'ole Lockheed tri-motors.
Now, if they did, I have a current TRE/IRE and will be happy to teach 'em how...
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I fully agree. We are supposed to be responsible persons; means that everyone is a big boy and knows when to stop or continue. Especially that in this business there is a quite large amonut of pilots who undertook this career late, and obviousely need to work longer for a better retirement. And ultimately facing the shortage of pilots amd shortage of experience in the flight deck (it is a drama for some national airlines of small size) that is the response to keep this experience afloat next to the rookie pilots in the right seats. The line is finally drawn at 65. Then to get the administration covering their head, they can still implement a more restrictive medical such as every 3 months or still every 6 months with more adapted medical tests
There is only one fair method to institute this change when (unfortunately in my case it goes ahead)
Only those pilots hired after the change takes effect should be allowed to stay on till 65, at their option of course.This avoids a 'windfall'
Naturally I am looking out for myself, but after stagnating with my airlines zero growth, 15 years warming the third and then, second seat in sundry Boeing and Douglas products, then losing my LHS award after 9 11, finally moving over a few years later I did not think it unreasonable for those senior to me to have to follow the rules of their predecessors, leaving to make way for them.
And, no I have no wish to go on to 65, and would be happy to pass my medicals till then, flying 85-95 hours a month mostly international with an airline whose staffing motto seems to be 'just barely enough minus 20%'
An acqaintance of mine and extremely well liked and popular Pilot here recently died in his Captains seat at age 58 whilst undergoing a check, is that what we have to look forward to with even older pilots?
You can manipulate statistics to say anything, this has nothing to do with experience, but pure economics, how can it possibly be safer or even 'as safe'?
Only those pilots hired after the change takes effect should be allowed to stay on till 65, at their option of course.This avoids a 'windfall'
Naturally I am looking out for myself, but after stagnating with my airlines zero growth, 15 years warming the third and then, second seat in sundry Boeing and Douglas products, then losing my LHS award after 9 11, finally moving over a few years later I did not think it unreasonable for those senior to me to have to follow the rules of their predecessors, leaving to make way for them.
And, no I have no wish to go on to 65, and would be happy to pass my medicals till then, flying 85-95 hours a month mostly international with an airline whose staffing motto seems to be 'just barely enough minus 20%'
An acqaintance of mine and extremely well liked and popular Pilot here recently died in his Captains seat at age 58 whilst undergoing a check, is that what we have to look forward to with even older pilots?
You can manipulate statistics to say anything, this has nothing to do with experience, but pure economics, how can it possibly be safer or even 'as safe'?