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Old 1st Oct 2007, 16:36   #1 (permalink)
 
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What is your helicopter carbon footprint?

http://www.triplepundit.com/pages/askpablo-helicopter-emissions-002609.php

Better get planting some trees there boys!
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Old 1st Oct 2007, 20:24   #2 (permalink)
 
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Hmmm. neatly ignores the noise pollution of the van which would expose more birds, tourists etc for longer as it moves slower.

But they have forgotten to multiply the pkm by the fun index which is very low for a van but almost immeasurably high for the helicopter.

The greatest scam is the idea that you can buy your way out of polluting - carbon offsetting, what a load of bolleaux.
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Old 1st Oct 2007, 21:09   #3 (permalink)
 
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Is it just too politically incorrect to say "who cares?"

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Old 1st Oct 2007, 21:27   #4 (permalink)
 
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I suppose you don't have children then? Or live on land that you now can't produce off and is increasingly worthless while owing the bank millions? Because of chronic drought that is now being recognised as our new climate and not drought. In Australia we have farmers killing themselves in alarming numbers because of this.
So I'd say yeah, it is politically incorrect to say "who cares" when it comes to carbon emissions and climate. And foolish. We only have one home and we are destroying it precisely because of people who say "who cares". Tell me you don't agree?
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Old 1st Oct 2007, 21:41   #5 (permalink)
 
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Only if you believe that we are firstly the main and only cause, secondly can do something about it and thirdly ignore the fact thats its a hell of a good money making scheme for the govn to push it.





I plant a small bush every time I fart.
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Old 1st Oct 2007, 21:42   #6 (permalink)
 
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What a load of tosh !! try living in South Wales if you want some rain !!!!
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Old 1st Oct 2007, 22:01   #7 (permalink)

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Is it just too politically incorrect to say "who cares?"
No! When China and the old Eastern Bloc countries get their act together, then I might start thinking about my carbon footprint. Until then, I shall continue flying and continue driving a 3.0 litre car! Also, when someone can demonstrate that climate change is down to Western Europe's fuel usage and not sunspot activity, again, I might reconsider.

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Old 1st Oct 2007, 22:05   #8 (permalink)
 
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If they are so worried about carbon emissions why don't they sell the van and with the proceeds buy a few pairs of hiking boots and walk it ?
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Old 1st Oct 2007, 22:22   #9 (permalink)
 
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Carbon footprint, my arse! It's something else they can tax you on.
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Old 1st Oct 2007, 22:29   #10 (permalink)
 
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The Coyote, if you think that things are too tuff for your children then dont have any and they wont have a carbon footprint to make things worse if you believe humans are the cause of it.( By the way I dont) JMHO
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Old 1st Oct 2007, 22:33   #11 (permalink)
 
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For every year I have been drawing breath there has been at least 25 volcanoes issuing [deity] knows what and not to mention the natural fires around the world. So some ninny tells me that this has nothing to do with climate change and its down to 'us' causing it in the last ......what??? Yeh right...............
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Old 1st Oct 2007, 22:48   #12 (permalink)

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There is hope, of course. Another good meteor / earth strike will cure global warming again for the next few thousand years. Trouble is, it won't half put the price of oil up. Which will mean everyone wanting helicopters to move the oilies about even more...

Is it un-PC to say I don't want one in my back yard, though?

(A meteor or an Oilie.....)
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Old 1st Oct 2007, 22:54   #13 (permalink)
 
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In a few million years, we will be the oil!

Wonder if I can get a discount early?
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Old 1st Oct 2007, 23:08   #14 (permalink)
 
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Until then, I shall continue flying and continue driving a 3.0 litre car!
I thought only milk came in 3 litres?

Consider me a flat earther: how we are expected to "save the planet" in the next 20-30 years What a load of tosh.
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Old 1st Oct 2007, 23:11   #15 (permalink)

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John, I think elephants do too...
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Old 2nd Oct 2007, 01:10   #16 (permalink)
 
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Shy - Very subtle!!


Other factors missing from the mathematics are:

convenience factor - once you have driven 130 km in any country like Belize, a 47nm flight in an L4 would be very welcome.

Hypocritical factor - if there was not a requirement or it was not viable, believe me, it would not be available.

What a load of bollox.........an eco-resort 130 km into the bondu!! I wonder if they considered offering bicycle transport?

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Old 2nd Oct 2007, 07:00   #17 (permalink)
 
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suppose you don't have children then?
I do, actually! The older of the two is also learning how to create her own rotary-based carbon footprint, and the younger is desperate to start.

Does that make me triply un-PC?

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Old 2nd Oct 2007, 09:25   #18 (permalink)
 
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But.....what if all the world's scientific community is right, and we armchair experts are wrong? By the time anyone can prove that we are frying because of our 3 litre cars rather than sunspots, it just might be too late to do anything about it!
So, those who can ignore Kyoto and the advice of the best-informed on the subject can admire the emperor's new clothes and carry on looking after number one until a possibly? reversible situation has become irredeemable and we are all screwed.
Rant nearly over - I just think its supremely arrogant for people with massive cars, business jets or a hugely polluting economy to think that its perfectly OK to crack on, because its in their personal (short-term) interest to let someone else save the world. Before I invite a massive slagging-off from everyone else, I will just say that 99% of my flying has been in the service of the public, and the fuel I have burned was (mostly) justified.
Thats the blue touch-paper lit, now just getting my flak jacket & helmet on, and crouching under my desk.....incoming!!
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Old 2nd Oct 2007, 09:35   #19 (permalink)

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I will just say that 99% of my flying has been in the service of the public, and the fuel I have burned was (mostly) justified.
That's all right then. Your flying is OK but nobody else's is.

As for
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world's scientific community is right, and we armchair experts are wrong
. Whichever scientific community you care to look at, you'll find that they disagree with regards to the causes of "climate change" (if, indeed, there is even any climate change, as opposed to a few hot summers). Armchair "experts" tend to go with the theory that is easiest to understand and comprehend; it makes sense, see?

Cheers

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Old 2nd Oct 2007, 09:36   #20 (permalink)
 
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There is a UK operator of AS355s that makes an astounding claim on their website:

"CO2 Neutral Keen to reduce any impact we have on the environment, we are the first company in our sector to become CO2 Neutral. After minimising our Carbon footprint, we invested a suitable level of funding in a recognised independent scheme called targetneutral, that off sets our CO2 emissions."

Twin Squirrels - carbon neutral ? How do you minimise the carbon footprint of AS355s ? Is there an option in the brochure ?

Do any of these "offset" schemes have any credibility ? Does this operator consider the effects of all carbon-based transport that supports their business - or just the helicopters ?

One herd of cows does more carbon damage to the world each year than one 500hr light helicopter.

So - eat steak and fly.
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