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Old 24th Jul 2013, 04:08
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Originally Posted by Saint Jack
It would appear that nothing much has changed with this company - except the name and the helicopters - since the days of Parashar and Wakeford...
Actually they have evolved considerably in the operational context since those days, with basically only 2 major senior-management changes over that long time. It used to be somewhat "agricultural", single pilot, then 2-pilot although on occasion if short on crew they would put a non-pilot staff member up front to make it look like they had 2 pilots. I can't imagine them doing that these days on the AW139. Now it is more "regimented" with formal training and induction processes, check-lists, standards that must be met, simulator training and the rest of it.

Sure, culturally it's pretty much the same pony it's always been, but operationally very different than the early days.

To their credit it's a pretty safe operation. Apart from the 222 that went over the cliff at Coloane, and the 76 that rolled over in the hangar, they've only ever dropped one helicopter in the tide in probably several hundred thousand flight hours over 20 years. And the flight crew pulled that one off pretty good.
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76 that rolled "over" in the hangar???
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Old 24th Jul 2013, 05:34
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76 that rolled "over" in the hangar???
Yep, MLG collapsed, did a lot of damage but was repaired. Lucky it didn't happen half an hour earlier when it was parked on the ramp with rotors running.
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Old 24th Jul 2013, 07:38
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Yeah, that was MHF, right side I believe. When you said "rolled over", I thought maybe I'd missed something!!!
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Old 24th Jul 2013, 08:32
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I can understand the high turnover of crew. I'm guessing that after a couple of months this 10-15 minute route must become a bit tedious?

Do the pilots with Sky Shuttle get the chance to do any other work, like charter for example?

These days do people fly between HK and China via helicopter, eg. HK to Guangzhou?
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Old 24th Jul 2013, 09:06
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"...the 222 that went over the cliff at Coloane.." is a slight exageration, the helicopter was on an single-engine ground-run by an authorised and experienced engineer for troubleshooting. To this day he doesn't really know what happened but it is thought that he swung around in the seat to communicate with another engineer outside the helicopter and moved the cyclic too much resulting in the roll-over. Both he and the engineer outside of the helicopter (I believe they were making engine adjustments) were a little shaken and stirred but otherwise unhurt. The helicopter remained on the ramp a safe distance from the drop into the sea.

The atmosphere at EAA (as it was then) was indeed a bit 'agricultural' but it was very young and developing quickly under David Hill who was incredibly supportive. Remember, this was before the establishment of the AACM. When David Hill was repaced by the other two 'gentlemen' the mood changed overnight and then the revolving door began to take effect.
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Old 24th Jul 2013, 09:26
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East Asia Airlines Bell 222



Also, an interesting story here.

Pilot, Antonio Jose Oliveria Ladeiras, was suspended by the authority after landing his East Asia Airlines Bell 222 helicopter on an overgrown soccer pitch in Zhongshan.

'Because of low visibility ahead, the pilot decided to turn west to look for an area with better visibility. 'But because the situation had not improved, he turned to fly along the coastline in the hope of finding Macau. However, thick fog did not allow the pilot to proceed further and he decided to land on a suitable location next to a highway in China in the interests of the safety of the passengers and the aircraft.' It said the pilot had taken the appropriate action in the circumstances.
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Old 24th Jul 2013, 10:10
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Originally Posted by Saint Jack
"...the 222 that went over the cliff at Coloane.." is a slight exageration...
yeah, I know the story, and I certainly know that bits of it went over the cliff....
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Originally Posted by Heli-News
Also, an interesting story here.
...and on a later occasion, slightly less famously, flew under the new Macau-Taipa Bridge, but that wasn't his fault A very nice guy, last I heard he retired to the land of the baked sardine and sangria...
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Unconverted license

Looking at the recruitment announcements and being n00beriffic as I am I have to ask. What is the reason for the unconverted license requirement?
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Old 24th Jul 2013, 23:08
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..what is the reason for the unconverted license requirement?
What is an unconverted license? You need a native ICAO license that is acceptable to AACM and HKCAD.
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Old 25th Jul 2013, 05:19
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If you start with-lets say-a JAA CPL, then convert it into an african license....you can easily "upgrade" to an ATPL.....then convert it back into a (now) EASA ATPL.....but this will be considered as a "conversion"-so you canīt "convert" it again into another license.....therefor you will need a "standalone" ATPL..

Despite the information given on their website:
They ONLY hire TYPE RATED pilots....
(Got in contact with their chief pilot last week, as a friend of mine was looking for a job with them....).
 
Old 25th Jul 2013, 06:15
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When applying for a Hong Kong Professional Pilot's License on the basis of conversion from a Foreign Professional Pilot's License, a license which was issued on the basis of equivalence by a foreign authority will not be accepted by HKCAD.

So in the example given, if the EASA ATPL was issued on the basis of equivalence of the African license I expect this will be annotated as such on the EASA license. In which case it won't be acceptable for conversion to a Hong Kong license.
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Thatīs why i wrote what i wrote-to explain why they require an "unconverted license"...

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Originally Posted by hueyracer
Despite the information given on their website:
They ONLY hire TYPE RATED pilots....
History says it's simply not true that they ONLY hire type rated pilots. Every pilot they've sponsored through basic flight school and hired (and there have been 10+ of them) none of them had a type rating. Not only these, several experienced pilots have been hired and given type ratings, some of which had no twin-time at all.

The thing is they have great flexibility to hire whoever they want for whatever reason they want. They are not hog-tied by external Aviation Advisors or clients or insurance companies setting pilot experience requirements (like most helicopter contracting providers are). SkyShuttle dance to their own music, they just need to work around whatever rules the two local regulatory authorities impose (AACM and HKCAD).
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Old 25th Jul 2013, 08:20
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Youīre right-let me add this to my post:

.....at this time.....as there are no more AW139-Sim-Slots available this year and early 2014....
 
Old 25th Jul 2013, 14:50
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I think that we can establish that walking into the chief pilot's office in Macao does not automatically lead to a twin VFR and IFR rating.
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Old 25th Jul 2013, 16:15
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Thanks for the answers guys. Don't mean to derail the thread. I was just wondering why the stipulation for unconverted. Seems like something of a scam deterrent? I know of someone that did something along those lines and their skills were regarded as poor.
I was looking at the ICAO website but don't see info about equivalencies.
Near term goal for me is Guam. Although if someone said they'll rate me on a 139 if I gave them a twelve month commitment I wouldn't say no
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Old 25th Jul 2013, 19:41
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Originally Posted by EternalRookie
...Don't mean to derail the thread. I was just wondering why the stipulation for unconverted. Seems like something of a scam deterrent?
As mentioned, the stipulation is a requirement of the local regulator, not the company.
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Old 25th Jul 2013, 19:43
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Originally Posted by Fareastdriver
I think that we can establish that walking into the chief pilot's office in Macao does not automatically lead to a twin VFR and IFR rating.
That is always the case, wherever you are Just saying, for some guys it was the case, classic examples of right place right time.
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