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Multi pilot minded crews have no problem with any of this but there are always some who think they know better than company SOPs
There are company SOP's and there are 'company' SOP's: and we all know occasions when SOP's have been 'adjusted' when the Chief Pilot changes. Many have their own little quirks. Would they fall under the category of "someone who thinks they know better than company SOP's?" It could be thought so because when they have the authority to change them they do so. No doubt they were 'in the ranks' whinging away at some historical method and itching to do something about it when they had the power.
I've flown for outfits where the CP was very conservative and when the old generation a/c were replaced by newer generation technology insisted the old SOP's be transferred as much as possible to the newer a/c which had been designed with a totally different philosophy. I've heard this was true in some airlines that had 3 crew a/c and then reverted to 2 crew ones, or had mixed fleets.
SOP's are written to be followed, yes; but IMHO they should not be the 10 commandments cast in stone and never to be debated for improvement.
There are company SOP's and there are 'company' SOP's: and we all know occasions when SOP's have been 'adjusted' when the Chief Pilot changes. Many have their own little quirks. Would they fall under the category of "someone who thinks they know better than company SOP's?" It could be thought so because when they have the authority to change them they do so. No doubt they were 'in the ranks' whinging away at some historical method and itching to do something about it when they had the power.
I've flown for outfits where the CP was very conservative and when the old generation a/c were replaced by newer generation technology insisted the old SOP's be transferred as much as possible to the newer a/c which had been designed with a totally different philosophy. I've heard this was true in some airlines that had 3 crew a/c and then reverted to 2 crew ones, or had mixed fleets.
SOP's are written to be followed, yes; but IMHO they should not be the 10 commandments cast in stone and never to be debated for improvement.
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It annoys the **** out of prima donnae who feel diminished if they cannot fly their own approaches and land from them too ans is arguably - perfectly arguably, not "necessary" at all in good visual conditions.
Multi pilot minded crews have no problem with any of this but there are always some who think they know better than company SOPs and want to do it differently to the way they are expected to.
Multi pilot minded crews have no problem with any of this but there are always some who think they know better than company SOPs and want to do it differently to the way they are expected to.
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Personal attack? Touched a raw nerve, have we? Hardly personal, prima donnae is in the plural so not directed at anyone in particular, however sensitive you feel about it. Still, as you evidently relate to the description and feel included that's fine...but just how your "logic" manages to include every pilot who doesn't work for BA is indeed a great and baffling mystery known only to yourself. Do they (we) all dislike SOPs??? Really?
Pilots who rant and rubbish SOPs are not really playing the multi-pilot game very well, are they? What is so hard about doing as the company asks? Everyone else does - isn't that the ppint? Why does it matter so much? If you really dislike the SOP so much there is always the option to move elsewhere but that seems rather a drastic approach to resolve who does what and when.
Pilots who rant and rubbish SOPs are not really playing the multi-pilot game very well, are they? What is so hard about doing as the company asks? Everyone else does - isn't that the ppint? Why does it matter so much? If you really dislike the SOP so much there is always the option to move elsewhere but that seems rather a drastic approach to resolve who does what and when.
IF monitored approach is really such a beneficial SOP why are airlines across the world not using it? It is basically a pointless "political" hangover from many many years ago. Some fleets in BA never ever adopted it, the Concorde for example and the 747 classic. Quite right too. Yes its history now but they functioned very well without the complication that is "monitored approach". I left BA because I was told one day that "you're paid here to do, not to think". I have no regrets.
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