Multiple incompleted logbooks related question
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I started my flight training with and integrated program in January 2010 (ab initio ATPL), I quit in Mars 2011. During this program I used a Belgian CAA logbook.
In Mars 2011, I started a FAA PPL training program with an American provider. At that point my new instructor told me that I need a new logbook, so I started a new one.
Currently I am holding 2 logbooks: one for the JAA part (40 hours) and one for the FAA PPL + hour building (140 hours).
Belgian CAA told me that I need to hold one common logbook with all the hours. As I have all the instructors signatures in both logbooks, they advised me to start a new one, at the first 2 lines put the total hours of each logbook and in remarks put "see logbook 1" "see logbook 2".
I a couple of weeks I am starting the Oxford Aviation Academy Waypoint program. UK CAA will be the authority that will issue my CPL / IR license.
I would like to know what is the UK CAA procedure in this particular situation. Shall I do as advised by the Belgian CAA?
I couldn't find anything on their website, I tried to contact them via email twice but they are not answering and I am running out of time.
Thank you for your help!
I started my flight training with and integrated program in January 2010 (ab initio ATPL), I quit in Mars 2011. During this program I used a Belgian CAA logbook.
In Mars 2011, I started a FAA PPL training program with an American provider. At that point my new instructor told me that I need a new logbook, so I started a new one.
Currently I am holding 2 logbooks: one for the JAA part (40 hours) and one for the FAA PPL + hour building (140 hours).
Belgian CAA told me that I need to hold one common logbook with all the hours. As I have all the instructors signatures in both logbooks, they advised me to start a new one, at the first 2 lines put the total hours of each logbook and in remarks put "see logbook 1" "see logbook 2".
I a couple of weeks I am starting the Oxford Aviation Academy Waypoint program. UK CAA will be the authority that will issue my CPL / IR license.
I would like to know what is the UK CAA procedure in this particular situation. Shall I do as advised by the Belgian CAA?
I couldn't find anything on their website, I tried to contact them via email twice but they are not answering and I am running out of time.
Thank you for your help!
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Thank you for your answer!
Just to make it clear, for your CPL issuing you handed several incomplete logbooks? When was it?
I do not understand why Belgian CAA told me that I need one common logbook.
Just to make it clear, for your CPL issuing you handed several incomplete logbooks? When was it?
I do not understand why Belgian CAA told me that I need one common logbook.
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Yes it was for CPL issue and I handed (mailed-in) multiple logbooks and it was in 2011. No comments or issues or notes saying that I did a no-no.
However, after the last entry of each incomplete logbook, I put in big letters "Last Entry, Continue in logbook #X"
And I put a sticky note on the cover of each logbook to make it clear which order they went in.
However, after the last entry of each incomplete logbook, I put in big letters "Last Entry, Continue in logbook #X"
And I put a sticky note on the cover of each logbook to make it clear which order they went in.
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Thank you for sharing, it helps a lot!
Do you have the total hours of the previous logbook in the next one each time? (if in logbook 1 you have 100 hours, in logbook 2 do you report those 100 hours?).
If somebody had a similar experience, do not hesitate to share!
Do you have the total hours of the previous logbook in the next one each time? (if in logbook 1 you have 100 hours, in logbook 2 do you report those 100 hours?).
If somebody had a similar experience, do not hesitate to share!
Some useless info for you here but your US instructor was wrong we deal with this issue all the time and usually a little modification is all that is required to make it work.
I would recommend that after the issuance of the UK JAA CPL that you carry everything over and start a new logbook that has everything.
At least you can avoid copying everything.
I would recommend that after the issuance of the UK JAA CPL that you carry everything over and start a new logbook that has everything.
At least you can avoid copying everything.
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Do you have the total hours of the previous logbook in the next one each time? (if in logbook 1 you have 100 hours, in logbook 2 do you report those 100 hours?)
I would recommend that after the issuance of the UK JAA CPL that you carry everything over and start a new logbook that has everything.
B2N2 is correct, you didn´t need to get a new logbook. I personally chose to get a new logbook as my first one was more for private pilots and I wanted to get one with more categories. The important thing when adding the numbers is keeping in mind the different rules, aka FAA vs JAA. A big one is PIC, so under FAA rules, many instances when you may have logged PIC would not be considered PIC under JAA, and make sure that your logbook and paperwork submitted to the CAA reflects this.
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Yeah now I know it too! It was a great instructor (former military pilot, aerobatic champion) but he sucked for the paperwork.
I only logged PIC for the solo flights, flights with friends, and couple of flights with instructor after having my PPL (where he put PIC approved).
Have you done your hour building in the USA as well? With a FAA PPL?
I only logged PIC for the solo flights, flights with friends, and couple of flights with instructor after having my PPL (where he put PIC approved).
Have you done your hour building in the USA as well? With a FAA PPL?
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For those who are interested, I just got an answer from the UK CAA.
Provided that all of your flights are clearly logged and are in the correct capacity then we will be able to accept your logbooks.
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Even though a logbook is a legal document it is yours to log as you deem fit. Below is a cut and paste from the UK ANO for precise requirements (It could be a notebook from WHSmiths
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Personal flying log book79.—(1) Every member of the flight crew of an aircraft registered in the United Kingdom and every person who engages in flying for the purpose of qualifying for the grant or renewal of a licence under this Order must keep a personal flying log book in which the following information must be recorded—(a)the name and address of the holder of the log book;
(b)detailed information about the holder’s licence (if any) to act as a member of the flight crew of an aircraft; and
(c)the name and address of the holder’s employer (if any).
(2) Detailed information about each flight during which the holder of the log book acted either as a member of the flight crew of an aircraft or for the purpose of qualifying for the grant or renewal of a licence under this Order must be recorded in the log book as soon as reasonably practicable after the end of each flight.(3) The information recorded in accordance with paragraph (2) must include—(a)the date, the places at which the holder of the log book embarked on and disembarked from the aircraft and the time spent during the course of a flight when the holder was acting in either capacity;
(b)the type and registration marks of the aircraft;
(c)the capacity in which the holder acted in flight;
(d)information about any special conditions under which the flight was conducted, including night flying and instrument flying; and
(e)information about any test or examination undertaken by the holder of the log book whilst in flight.
(4) Information about any test or examination undertaken whilst in a flight simulator must be recorded in the log book, including—(a)the date of the test or examination;
(b)the type of simulator;
(c)the capacity in which the holder acted; and
(d)the nature of the test or examination.
):Personal flying log book79.—(1) Every member of the flight crew of an aircraft registered in the United Kingdom and every person who engages in flying for the purpose of qualifying for the grant or renewal of a licence under this Order must keep a personal flying log book in which the following information must be recorded—(a)the name and address of the holder of the log book;
(b)detailed information about the holder’s licence (if any) to act as a member of the flight crew of an aircraft; and
(c)the name and address of the holder’s employer (if any).
(2) Detailed information about each flight during which the holder of the log book acted either as a member of the flight crew of an aircraft or for the purpose of qualifying for the grant or renewal of a licence under this Order must be recorded in the log book as soon as reasonably practicable after the end of each flight.(3) The information recorded in accordance with paragraph (2) must include—(a)the date, the places at which the holder of the log book embarked on and disembarked from the aircraft and the time spent during the course of a flight when the holder was acting in either capacity;
(b)the type and registration marks of the aircraft;
(c)the capacity in which the holder acted in flight;
(d)information about any special conditions under which the flight was conducted, including night flying and instrument flying; and
(e)information about any test or examination undertaken by the holder of the log book whilst in flight.
(4) Information about any test or examination undertaken whilst in a flight simulator must be recorded in the log book, including—(a)the date of the test or examination;
(b)the type of simulator;
(c)the capacity in which the holder acted; and
(d)the nature of the test or examination.
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Thank you for the info!
Somebody knows if something concerning logbooks is going to change with the new EASA regulations?
I will do as advised by the Belgian CAA: start a new logbook and in the first 2 lines log the total hours of the previous ones.
Any advise upon the logbook to buy? I was thinking about this one: CAA Personal Pilots Logbook CAP 407
Somebody knows if something concerning logbooks is going to change with the new EASA regulations?
I will do as advised by the Belgian CAA: start a new logbook and in the first 2 lines log the total hours of the previous ones.
Any advise upon the logbook to buy? I was thinking about this one: CAA Personal Pilots Logbook CAP 407
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Any advise upon the logbook to buy?
EASA will be no different from JAR-FCL in that respect, which also means that nothing needs to be signed in your logbook by anybody. Most of my colleagues do not have a printed logbook any more, just their Excel sheet (or dedicated logbook software on the iPhone or iPad). As I am more old-fashioned, I still have a paper loogbook of the kind, that you get as a free gift from Air BP refuellers if are nice to them and buy their fuel.
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Thank you for the advice!
I have Logbook Pro as electronic lobook. But I really like to have a hard copy in parallel.
Besides that I am still busy with my CPL, so it's handy to have a hard copy for the instructors signatures.
I have Logbook Pro as electronic lobook. But I really like to have a hard copy in parallel.
Besides that I am still busy with my CPL, so it's handy to have a hard copy for the instructors signatures.
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...for the instructors signatures.
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Dibies,
You were an SFA student and as such subject to the SFA requirement for all logbook entries to be signed by your FI. Additionally, you trained in the U.S.A and it is a requirement for all lessons to be certified by the instructor following the flight - part of the endorsement process under FAR61.87. Oxford issue all integrated students with their own logbook which is an AFE JAR-FCL one with OAA branding. I have no doubt they would be prepared to sell you one. It is quite smart and certainly fit for purpose. I mentioned it in another thread and am still curious though - if you have committed to modular training with an expensive FTO why are you asking these questions on a public forum? Would it not be simpler just to pick up the phone to Kidlington or drop them an e-mail?
I wish you good luck - I hope your training at CHD has helped you get on top of things with respect to your landings.
You were an SFA student and as such subject to the SFA requirement for all logbook entries to be signed by your FI. Additionally, you trained in the U.S.A and it is a requirement for all lessons to be certified by the instructor following the flight - part of the endorsement process under FAR61.87. Oxford issue all integrated students with their own logbook which is an AFE JAR-FCL one with OAA branding. I have no doubt they would be prepared to sell you one. It is quite smart and certainly fit for purpose. I mentioned it in another thread and am still curious though - if you have committed to modular training with an expensive FTO why are you asking these questions on a public forum? Would it not be simpler just to pick up the phone to Kidlington or drop them an e-mail?
I wish you good luck - I hope your training at CHD has helped you get on top of things with respect to your landings.
