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I read these threads with great intrest. From a young wipper snapper it has always been my dream to fly and up untill recently that dream has seemed a million miles away as i just did not have the financial means to fund the training. HOWEVER, now a certain twist of fate does show me some light at the end of the tunnle. Clearly from reading these forums i would not entertain an intergrated course with Oxford etc.
A few questions though that i would love you to pick away at......
1.These intergrated courses speak of contiunity of training, structured development....will recruiting airlines take this same view or are they just interested in the fact of the qualification u have rather than the way you got there....
2.I was looking at going to EFT in Florida to do a fast track cpl....$46k for ppl,night,cpl,me,and jaa ir........this also seems very reasonable and after trauling through PPRuNe found hardly a bad word to say about EFT ?? But could i get better training than this at a similar price if i pick and choose between schools.......this to me just seemed sort of the best of both worlds.....good price, decent structure and time frame and what appears to be a well spoke of establishment.
WWW - you talked about FO's at EZY earning £1800 a month but having to repay loans + interest and so are living off of £600 a month, my question is if someone was lucky enough to get there and be debt free do you think it is a viable and productive route to becoming a good pilot? Would you take this route if you were starting out again now and had the money spare?
I was planning on postponing my training for a while but last month i was lucky enough to win a poker tournament for $138,000 and so now im thinking ill go for it as i can afford to not get employed the month i graduate. Thats not to say im gonna waste money i still will be going modular but i think my situation is a little more fortunate than others
Surely if your going to compare prices then its the amount you would pay back on a loan not what you borrow. How much does the integrated course cost then?
Depends on loan terms & interest rate but it's around the £140,000 mark. When I looked at it, I also considered the fact that it would be paid back with earnings net of marginal tax - in which case integrated costs around the quarter-million-pound point in future earnings.
Ok, so my calculation didn't allow for inflation - but whichever way you look at it, a quarter of a million pounds for a £40,000 license is dumbfoundingly crazy.
Even though we have all agreed that modular training is far cheaper than integrated training, everyone makes their own decisions based on what makes them feel safer and more satisfied at the end of the day. However standards differ from country to country. In my country they really couldn't care less where or what training you did. If you meet the requirements they call you in for an interview (if they are hiring) and if you perform to their standards during the assessments you get the job. Speaking with a few captains who are very close to me from a UK airline and from a Greek airline, they all say the same thing: You can never tell a difference between an integrated pilot or modular. Some fo's theyve flown with from the integrated path have had very poor knowledge and flying skills, and others have been top notch. Same goes for modular pilots. And I have a friend who went to one of the big boys for integrated training, and failed an airline assessment 3 times!!! And yes he passed everything first time.
In terms of how good a pilot you become has everything to do with you as a person and the effort and work you put in it. However in some countries, like the UK, if you havent done your training at one of the big boys, you are looked down upon from the airlines or not given an equal shot at a job. This is the airlines decision and nothing anyone can do about it. From the moment that you are not assured a job by giving your loot to an integrated school why do it????
I think too that the modular provides you more experience and more hours of flight, and so I'm going to start with the modular within the next 2 years. The school is in Australia, it is the MFS, and I'll post the prices in €.
PPL 6800 HB 40 hrs 4720 (PA28 118€ x 40 hrs) IR 8700 ME 1650 Night Rating 2300 HB 25 hrs 2950 (PA28 118€ x 25 hrs) CPL 16300 ATPL frozen 1700 theory courses (not ATPL) 3410
TOTAL (housing not included) about €48600
Is this too much? I'd like to become a Flight Instructor too, and it costs 8200€. I need some opinions from you expert boys
The licences are all CASA, then, in one next time, I'll convert it to JAA, also if I'd like to stay in Australia for ever.
ppl 55h ( a very long and mass up school in Milan) 10 000 euri
100 h XC ( of course in florida on pa28 ) 15 000 dollars ( with house) school was florida flyers
IR/MEP at topfly accademy in Barcelona 12500 euri 30h plane and 30 h multi simulator
CPL in greece 4000 euri with final check
on top I spent 35000-36000 euri.( i still have to do my mcc, i think to do it at european skybus in UK 2100 euri) anyway all first time pass! I don t understand people spending 80 000 for the same hours thinking they school is the best one becasue it gets so much money from them.
make it smart! all money saved for type rating and these bloody line training program
Hi guys, new to the forum (first post) I'm in no position of authority from which to comment, but I've been around and doing the research for long enough to agree totally that as far as money goes, theres really no contest. thing is, with the industry as it is, no matter which way you go, is one more likely to lead to a place in the right hand seat of ANY aircraft, be it Jet/TP/(Other?!) I suspect not but it's a question I couldn't help but raise.
At no other time in your life will you be able to assign a massive £5000-10000 to the joys of simply flying around the UK or somewhere interesting abroad of your choice, with your mates, eating bacon butties and gaining untold experience, all in the name of essential 'training'!
Good point indeed that Mike, flying round Florida or wherever for the "$100 burger" (invariably refuelling at Lake Okeechobee and popping in to see mates at the skydiving centre etc etc) just because you can, loved it. The flying that is, the burger wasn't bad either. Yep, agreed, I miss that too.
I am about to do my A-levels in maths n' physics. During this time i will be saving for my PPL, most palces are asking for £6599 which is not a problem. Getting the CPL is the hardest bit as there are money implications.
Just a quick question, how many sponsored CPL go every year on average? Would it be better to finacially plan how I will get my CPL or shall i do it in chunks saving and spending on courses?
Lastly, what sort of jobs do you do when your earning money, i am looking at unskilled work right now.. Problem is that isnt a big money earner.. what sort of jobs did you do or did you take out loans?..
Ben. Don't do the PPL. To keep it current will cost you thousands. You're way way too young to be thinking about professional pilots training unless your Dad is already and airline Captain with a Porsche in the garage. Aim to start flying training when you're, oooh, 23 and have save some cash. By that time the industry will have improved and you might stand a slim chance of getting a job.
While I agree this lad will have to spend money keeping current - did you ever consider that he might just enjoy it at the time - or even find out whether flying is for him?? At the very least I'd suggest a trial lesson. There's no need to be so consistently negative, particularly in this annoying style. Of short emphasising sentences. There really isn't.
If you want to start flying for the experience and shear fun of it then I suggest you try gliding. The low cost and social/volunteer side of it will really get you meeting the right people and immerse yourself in the world of flying. Many glider pilots are ex-RAF or airline pilots who can offer a wealth of information and tips, both on the industry and flying itself.
I'm 24 years old and spent 5 years flying gliders in the UK before coming out to do my PPL here on South Island in New Zealand. The experience I gained through gliding has been priceless (literally, we charged most of it to our university's union ), and allowed me to sail through the PPL course with enough time to build up the remaining required hours doing cross-countries around this beautiful country. I'm hoping to take myself all the way to ATPL and the airlines when I return to the UK in summer, but the greatest feeling in the world at the moment is being able to take it one step at a time with enough space to breath and enjoy it too.
Prophead, not if you dont go out and spend your money wisely. I`m working towards being a pilot, have been a Personal Trainer for the last 3 years live in London which isn`t cheap, have done PPL, paid for ATPL and have 20K + saved ready for CPL,IR,ME and MCC, and my average salary over those last 3 years has been 23K before tax!!! Prior to that in the military which pays sod all.