Converting a bunch of overseas and CAA qualifications
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Hi folks,
I hold a menagerie of UK and Aussie qualifications and (at the moment) I want to (re-)obtain a PPL plus some "fun time" qualification for use on G- reg aircraft, and I'm finding that my flying school aren't really certain of what to do and the CAA haven't answered my questions - I'm wondering if anyone out there has any insight?
So, I hold a old CAA UK lifetime PPL (issued in the last century) and independent of this I've got an Aussie PPL, CPL, instructor rating, night VFR rating, retract, CSU, spinning, aerobatics and tailwheel endorsement. I would like to "reactivate" my UK PPL and keep my beloved aeros and tailwheel qualifications.
After I get my UK medical (a whole other story), the school I'm flying with reckon I have to do the whole PPL skills test. This doesn't seem quite right to me - I'm not that keen to part with 200 quid plus hire costs to demonstrate I can fly a warrior in a big triangle if I don't need to! My thoughts are that perhaps there are two pathways, one dragging my PPL into the 21st century and one transferring my foreign qualifications - I'm seeking to minimise my expenditure on conversion to maximize it on fun things.
With regards to transferring the tailwheel and aeros qualifications, I've haven't got any answer beyond "dunno".
Any help/legal references would be greatly appreciated!
G
I hold a menagerie of UK and Aussie qualifications and (at the moment) I want to (re-)obtain a PPL plus some "fun time" qualification for use on G- reg aircraft, and I'm finding that my flying school aren't really certain of what to do and the CAA haven't answered my questions - I'm wondering if anyone out there has any insight?
So, I hold a old CAA UK lifetime PPL (issued in the last century) and independent of this I've got an Aussie PPL, CPL, instructor rating, night VFR rating, retract, CSU, spinning, aerobatics and tailwheel endorsement. I would like to "reactivate" my UK PPL and keep my beloved aeros and tailwheel qualifications.
After I get my UK medical (a whole other story), the school I'm flying with reckon I have to do the whole PPL skills test. This doesn't seem quite right to me - I'm not that keen to part with 200 quid plus hire costs to demonstrate I can fly a warrior in a big triangle if I don't need to! My thoughts are that perhaps there are two pathways, one dragging my PPL into the 21st century and one transferring my foreign qualifications - I'm seeking to minimise my expenditure on conversion to maximize it on fun things.
With regards to transferring the tailwheel and aeros qualifications, I've haven't got any answer beyond "dunno".
Any help/legal references would be greatly appreciated!
G
Hi G.
Firstly, don't blame your School for being confused by the turmoil that UK Pilot Licensing has been through in the last 15 years. The EASA Part.FCL shambles has just been piled on top of the JAR FCL debacle, so we are just now beginning to understand the mess we are in.
To keep a long and sorry story short, your original CAA lifetime PPL is still valid, and all you need to do is renew the 'Group A' Rating.
The 'Group A' no longer exists however, so now, you have to Renew it as the nearest EASA equivalent, which is a 'Single Engine Piston Class Rating'(SEP)
To do this, you have to go to a Approved Training Organisation(ATO) or Registered Training Facility(RF), and your Flying School will be one of these.
The Head of Training(HOT) or Chief Flying Instructor(CFI) will then assess what training (if any) you will need to complete, to pass the Renewal Proficiency Check(PC). After you have completed any training, and even if you didn't have to do any training, they will issue a Course Completion Certificate(CCC), which you will need to give to the Examiner before you can do the PC.
The PC is essentially the original issue Skill Test, without the nav part.
Once you have passed the PC, the Examiner will sign your Licence, and fill in a form SRG1119e. You are then good to go for Aeroplanes up to 2000kg VFR, until April 2018.
After April 2018, you will be restricted to non-EASA aircraft, (These are aircraft with a UK, rather than EASA, Permit to Fly/CofA) unless you convert your Licence to an EASA one.
As for the Tailwheel and VP Prop, I would suggest that you email the CAA at [email protected] and ask them if they will accept your Australian endorsements. If they won't, the worst that can happen is that you will have to do a checkride with an EASA Instructor, so that he can endorse them for you. Having said that, you will probably have to do that anyway, before you can hire a school's aircraft.
You could, however, kill all these birds with one stone, by doing the PC in a tailwheel/VPP aircraft!
No Aerobatic Rating Is required on a UK PPL.
If you convert your Licence to an EASA one in 2018, however, an aerobatic rating will then be required.
Hope that helps. MJ
Ps. In the meantime, if you still have a valid Australian Licence, with a valid single engine rating, and valid Medical, you can use that to fly UK registered aircraft, VFR on private flights, until 2016.
MJ
Firstly, don't blame your School for being confused by the turmoil that UK Pilot Licensing has been through in the last 15 years. The EASA Part.FCL shambles has just been piled on top of the JAR FCL debacle, so we are just now beginning to understand the mess we are in.
To keep a long and sorry story short, your original CAA lifetime PPL is still valid, and all you need to do is renew the 'Group A' Rating.
The 'Group A' no longer exists however, so now, you have to Renew it as the nearest EASA equivalent, which is a 'Single Engine Piston Class Rating'(SEP)
To do this, you have to go to a Approved Training Organisation(ATO) or Registered Training Facility(RF), and your Flying School will be one of these.
The Head of Training(HOT) or Chief Flying Instructor(CFI) will then assess what training (if any) you will need to complete, to pass the Renewal Proficiency Check(PC). After you have completed any training, and even if you didn't have to do any training, they will issue a Course Completion Certificate(CCC), which you will need to give to the Examiner before you can do the PC.
The PC is essentially the original issue Skill Test, without the nav part.
Once you have passed the PC, the Examiner will sign your Licence, and fill in a form SRG1119e. You are then good to go for Aeroplanes up to 2000kg VFR, until April 2018.
After April 2018, you will be restricted to non-EASA aircraft, (These are aircraft with a UK, rather than EASA, Permit to Fly/CofA) unless you convert your Licence to an EASA one.
As for the Tailwheel and VP Prop, I would suggest that you email the CAA at [email protected] and ask them if they will accept your Australian endorsements. If they won't, the worst that can happen is that you will have to do a checkride with an EASA Instructor, so that he can endorse them for you. Having said that, you will probably have to do that anyway, before you can hire a school's aircraft.
You could, however, kill all these birds with one stone, by doing the PC in a tailwheel/VPP aircraft!
No Aerobatic Rating Is required on a UK PPL.
If you convert your Licence to an EASA one in 2018, however, an aerobatic rating will then be required.
Hope that helps. MJ
Ps. In the meantime, if you still have a valid Australian Licence, with a valid single engine rating, and valid Medical, you can use that to fly UK registered aircraft, VFR on private flights, until 2016.
MJ
Last edited by Mach Jump; 3rd Aug 2015 at 19:59. Reason: Added Ps.
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Thanks Mach Jump!
Your post script is interesting as this is exactly what I am after as all I want at the moment is the ability to bimble around. I will start a CPL conversion with ME and IR once I have the ATPL theory exams done and dusted (again!), hence I am unwilling to shell out for a PPL skills tests on top of all the forthcoming ones (I'd rather spend the 300+ quid at a gliding club).
Do you happen to have a CAP reference (or similar) I can take to the school before I ask to take one of their G- reg aircraft with my Aussie licence?
I have vague memories of the introduction of JAA rules back when you could still buy a ticket on Concorde, but the with EASA sat on top the licencing rules seem almost as mad as Australia!
G
Your post script is interesting as this is exactly what I am after as all I want at the moment is the ability to bimble around. I will start a CPL conversion with ME and IR once I have the ATPL theory exams done and dusted (again!), hence I am unwilling to shell out for a PPL skills tests on top of all the forthcoming ones (I'd rather spend the 300+ quid at a gliding club).
Do you happen to have a CAP reference (or similar) I can take to the school before I ask to take one of their G- reg aircraft with my Aussie licence?
I have vague memories of the introduction of JAA rules back when you could still buy a ticket on Concorde, but the with EASA sat on top the licencing rules seem almost as mad as Australia!
G
Do you happen to have a CAP reference (or similar) I can take to the school before I ask to take one of their G- reg aircraft with my Aussie licence?
Check out UK CAA Information Notice IN-2015/028, deferring the need for foreign Licences to be validated for private flights in EASA aircraft until 8th April 2016, here:
http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/Informa...ice2015028.pdf
MJ
