Foreign PPL in Australia
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Hi all,
I am aware of the 'Certificate of Validation' system as described on the CASA website. It appears to be relatively straightforward, takes 4-6 weeks and costs AUD 150 upfront. Of course followed by the usual checkflight when I arrive at the rental club.
But..
When I flew in Australia earlier this year it was just a local sightseeing flight and I flew with an instructor. He mentioned that CASA was changing the rules, making it easier/quicker/cheaper to fly in Oz with a UK (EASA) PPL. Does anyone know of any further details on this, e.g. if it is true, when it is changing and in which way etc? My next trip over is planned for Easter 2016.
Finally, I'd be looking at renting a PA28/C172/DA40 type aircraft for about a week to fly West from Sydney and around the NSW outback (Bourke, Dubbo, Broken Hill, Cobar...). There seem to be quite a few places around Sydney with rental aircraft available and I will contact them, but if anyone has any suggested clubs/people to contact, it'd be great..
Thanks in advance for any advice!
B.
I am aware of the 'Certificate of Validation' system as described on the CASA website. It appears to be relatively straightforward, takes 4-6 weeks and costs AUD 150 upfront. Of course followed by the usual checkflight when I arrive at the rental club.
But..
When I flew in Australia earlier this year it was just a local sightseeing flight and I flew with an instructor. He mentioned that CASA was changing the rules, making it easier/quicker/cheaper to fly in Oz with a UK (EASA) PPL. Does anyone know of any further details on this, e.g. if it is true, when it is changing and in which way etc? My next trip over is planned for Easter 2016.
Finally, I'd be looking at renting a PA28/C172/DA40 type aircraft for about a week to fly West from Sydney and around the NSW outback (Bourke, Dubbo, Broken Hill, Cobar...). There seem to be quite a few places around Sydney with rental aircraft available and I will contact them, but if anyone has any suggested clubs/people to contact, it'd be great..
Thanks in advance for any advice!
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Baikonour,
The first thing you'll need to do is apply for the ASIC security pass from CASA as the aerodromes you mentioned are all "security controlled". This little red bit of plastic keeps the Stralyan public safe and will set you back $200. It is supposed to take 4 weeks to process (be prepared for longer....much longer!) without this you won't be able to get on the apron.
Your instructor was probably referring the Part 61 licencing that was introduced last year. In my experience, all it has introduced is cost, confusion and difficultly. However, the flying will be great!
Gfunc
The first thing you'll need to do is apply for the ASIC security pass from CASA as the aerodromes you mentioned are all "security controlled". This little red bit of plastic keeps the Stralyan public safe and will set you back $200. It is supposed to take 4 weeks to process (be prepared for longer....much longer!) without this you won't be able to get on the apron.
Your instructor was probably referring the Part 61 licencing that was introduced last year. In my experience, all it has introduced is cost, confusion and difficultly. However, the flying will be great!
Gfunc
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Thanks for the heads-up regarding ASIC/AVID. Need to look into that properly. Very glad the CAA has not implemented anything like this for GA (as far as I know. I guess they leave it for the airports themselves to manage?)
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Hi Baikonour,
I learned over at Basair , they are located in Bankstown airport and I found them to be a very professional outfit.
I have used most of the fleet and I find the standard above average, minor items in training planes are not left U/S.
here is the number +61 2 9791 0111 and website Basair
If I can answer any more questions please feel free to ask.
I see you are going touring , and when I was at Basair we had many flyaway's to places like Hunter valley , Blue mountains and further afield. it was great flying in a loose formation. And I'm sure if you contact them or visit the clubhouse they will help with your flight plan and tell you what you need to know about your destinations.
Australia is really Beautiful country to overfly, have a Fantastic trip,
Fionn
I learned over at Basair , they are located in Bankstown airport and I found them to be a very professional outfit.
I have used most of the fleet and I find the standard above average, minor items in training planes are not left U/S.
here is the number +61 2 9791 0111 and website Basair
If I can answer any more questions please feel free to ask.
I see you are going touring , and when I was at Basair we had many flyaway's to places like Hunter valley , Blue mountains and further afield. it was great flying in a loose formation. And I'm sure if you contact them or visit the clubhouse they will help with your flight plan and tell you what you need to know about your destinations.
Australia is really Beautiful country to overfly, have a Fantastic trip,
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I also started my flying at Basair, and can recommend them too. They have become a bit more of a pilot factory than the medium-sized flying school it was 15 years ago, but from what I hear they are still a good place to fly from at Bankstown.
I jumped through the hoops to get one ASIC - but never bothered after the first issue as I'd returned to the UK by then and it didn't really matter.
Paul.
I jumped through the hoops to get one ASIC - but never bothered after the first issue as I'd returned to the UK by then and it didn't really matter.
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I moved to Australia last year and am going through this process, the changes that were made (late last year I believe) mean that you can convert a UK to CASA PPL without having to do any exams; you get issued the license and then need to do a Flight Review with an instructor.
Process is as follows:
1. Apply for an Aviation Reference Number - CASA Form 1162 . This part is free, but needs to be done before any other steps.
2. Find a Medical Examiner (DAME) and take a Class 2 Medical
3. Provide authorisation to the UK CAA for License Verification, form SRG 1160. This is so that CASA can verify you're license is genuine, however you will need to send a certified copy of your license for this, see the form for who can do this.
4. Obtain certified copies of the following documents: Certified Passport Photos, Copy of License, 3 last pages of logbook, Australian 100 point ID check docs.
5. Complete Form 498 (Australian Security Identity Card), Form 61-9PIC (Photos), Form 61-4A (Flight Crew License Application on basis of Overseas Civil Qualifications)
6. Once you receive your license, you need a Flight Review (Biennial Flight Review).
Must be done in that order.
I called today to follow up, and although the CASA licensing department have been helpful with all of my phone calls, they did advise it will take up to 56 days to process the license application, after which it goes to a separate office where the process the ASIC which takes up to a further 4 weeks.
Next I just need to find some flying buddies and a group share at Camden!
Process is as follows:
1. Apply for an Aviation Reference Number - CASA Form 1162 . This part is free, but needs to be done before any other steps.
2. Find a Medical Examiner (DAME) and take a Class 2 Medical
3. Provide authorisation to the UK CAA for License Verification, form SRG 1160. This is so that CASA can verify you're license is genuine, however you will need to send a certified copy of your license for this, see the form for who can do this.
4. Obtain certified copies of the following documents: Certified Passport Photos, Copy of License, 3 last pages of logbook, Australian 100 point ID check docs.
5. Complete Form 498 (Australian Security Identity Card), Form 61-9PIC (Photos), Form 61-4A (Flight Crew License Application on basis of Overseas Civil Qualifications)
6. Once you receive your license, you need a Flight Review (Biennial Flight Review).
Must be done in that order.
I called today to follow up, and although the CASA licensing department have been helpful with all of my phone calls, they did advise it will take up to 56 days to process the license application, after which it goes to a separate office where the process the ASIC which takes up to a further 4 weeks.
Next I just need to find some flying buddies and a group share at Camden!
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G'day Baikonour!
I did my conversion from a UK JAR licence last year and L'aviateur's steps are spot on (although I got my documents notarized which added another delay). I have no idea why CASA requires copies of your licence when the CAA confirms it, but anyway!
As you'll see, it's not really (IMO) an option if you are just coming for a few weeks holiday/work. My flight review alone (2.5hrs) cost about $830. Depending on your experience, you'd perhaps need/want some local instruction before doing a flight review to get up to speed with local procedures (I'm relatively low hours and mostly UK cross country experience, so it was quite different for me).
Actually, unless you can do a CASA medical in the UK and get all the paperwork off so you have a CASA licence before arrival, then get over jetlag, be lucky enough to have the right weather and go straight into a flight review, I don't think it's realistically feasible.
Have fun down here - and give us a shout if you visit Victoria!
GF
I did my conversion from a UK JAR licence last year and L'aviateur's steps are spot on (although I got my documents notarized which added another delay). I have no idea why CASA requires copies of your licence when the CAA confirms it, but anyway!
As you'll see, it's not really (IMO) an option if you are just coming for a few weeks holiday/work. My flight review alone (2.5hrs) cost about $830. Depending on your experience, you'd perhaps need/want some local instruction before doing a flight review to get up to speed with local procedures (I'm relatively low hours and mostly UK cross country experience, so it was quite different for me).
Actually, unless you can do a CASA medical in the UK and get all the paperwork off so you have a CASA licence before arrival, then get over jetlag, be lucky enough to have the right weather and go straight into a flight review, I don't think it's realistically feasible.
Have fun down here - and give us a shout if you visit Victoria!
GF
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Just an update that they processed the application around 3-4 weeks after I sent it to them, and the license was dispatched to me by CASA two weeks later. I still haven't received the ASIC.
I didn't receive a wallet with the license, so used my old brown JAA one. (I'm presuming the perforations on the pages are for breaking it up to fit into a wallet, otherwise i've just destroyed the license...)
I didn't receive a radio license, or it doesn't state a radio license on the certificate, is this normal with CASA or has something been forgotten?
I didn't receive a wallet with the license, so used my old brown JAA one. (I'm presuming the perforations on the pages are for breaking it up to fit into a wallet, otherwise i've just destroyed the license...)
I didn't receive a radio license, or it doesn't state a radio license on the certificate, is this normal with CASA or has something been forgotten?
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They don't issue a radio licence. I converted my licence a couple of years ago. The new Part 61 rules seem to make it even easier and I have only had good experience with CASA so far.
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Unless you're going to live there it's probably best to forget it. I've been nine times in the last nine years to Oz and have given up trying to get anyone even interested in signing me off to rent a 'plane, and that's with me willing to do the Oz air law exam and all the rest of it.
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Thanks for the additional help, guys.
Our plans have changed so instead of flying around in outback we will spend a week in a resort, and my flying will be limited to some daytrips afterwards - which will therefore be with an instructor and the whole license/ASIC thing falls away.
(Part of the reason we decided this was really because we didn't want to commit to booking places to stay etc. when weather or other issues might leave to a late minute change of plans. We will save the thought for next time we go down.)
So... the question changes.
Any ideas for places in Northern Vic/Murray river valley which (a) would be nice to visit and (b) have a local flying community where I could find an aircraft and willing instructor?
Thanks guys (and gals!)
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Our plans have changed so instead of flying around in outback we will spend a week in a resort, and my flying will be limited to some daytrips afterwards - which will therefore be with an instructor and the whole license/ASIC thing falls away.
(Part of the reason we decided this was really because we didn't want to commit to booking places to stay etc. when weather or other issues might leave to a late minute change of plans. We will save the thought for next time we go down.)
So... the question changes.
Any ideas for places in Northern Vic/Murray river valley which (a) would be nice to visit and (b) have a local flying community where I could find an aircraft and willing instructor?
Thanks guys (and gals!)
B.
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Originally Posted by thing
Unless you're going to live there it's probably best to forget it. I've been nine times in the last nine years to Oz and have given up trying to get anyone even interested in signing me off to rent a 'plane, and that's with me willing to do the Oz air law exam and all the rest of it.
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Hi L'avisteur.I visit the Brisbane area, just got back to UK the other day actually. I've made e mail enquiries in the past to the schools at Archerfield and not even had a response and I called in person at Caloundra where I was met with sucking of breath between teeth and shaking of heads. Didn't seem at all interested. Nice museum though. Rang Redcliffe who didn't seem to understand what I was after. Kind of gave up after that.
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I must admit that I was not overwhelmed with the response I received from the 4 operators in the Sydney area I contacted either. Only one reply - which arrived after 4 weeks - answering questions which were not in my email (but which I had already read on their website) and failed to answer those that were.
But yes, they did offer an accompanied flight over the Sydney Harbour area...
I did have a friendly exchange with Lilydale last year and flew with them around New Year, though
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But yes, they did offer an accompanied flight over the Sydney Harbour area...
I did have a friendly exchange with Lilydale last year and flew with them around New Year, though
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I met the chap who runs Lilydale this week up at SW Rocks in NSW, where he had come in his Bonanza. He is a super fellow. I would go there again if I were you. You should get your licence. Flying here is an absolute doddle.
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Hi,
I did this 2 years ago with Sydney Aviators (I think they share the fleet with Basair).
CoV is not an issue. You can request it already from home and receive a preliminary license via E-Mail (i think it is valid like 3 month?) and the original sent by post to your homeplace within a few days. This should all be sorted out before you even depart.
The ASIC is more annoying. Also there you can (and should) send the application already from home, at least 3 month prior to your departure.
However, the final checks will only commence once you are through immigration (do not forget to give them a call the day after you arrived) and only then print the ASIC, which is done by a contractor. This normally takes 10-14 days.
During this time you can already do familiarisation with an FI or do the BFR, however you need the ASIC before you want to fly around alone. (Well theoretically not all airports require the ASIC, but practically everyone with fuel does.....)
Maybe this thread also gives you also some ideas on where to land: http://www.pprune.org/pacific-genera...w-qld-vic.html
If you have more specific questions, I am happy to answer here or via PM.
Regards,
Florian
I did this 2 years ago with Sydney Aviators (I think they share the fleet with Basair).
CoV is not an issue. You can request it already from home and receive a preliminary license via E-Mail (i think it is valid like 3 month?) and the original sent by post to your homeplace within a few days. This should all be sorted out before you even depart.
The ASIC is more annoying. Also there you can (and should) send the application already from home, at least 3 month prior to your departure.
However, the final checks will only commence once you are through immigration (do not forget to give them a call the day after you arrived) and only then print the ASIC, which is done by a contractor. This normally takes 10-14 days.
During this time you can already do familiarisation with an FI or do the BFR, however you need the ASIC before you want to fly around alone. (Well theoretically not all airports require the ASIC, but practically everyone with fuel does.....)
Maybe this thread also gives you also some ideas on where to land: http://www.pprune.org/pacific-genera...w-qld-vic.html
If you have more specific questions, I am happy to answer here or via PM.
Regards,
Florian