Aerobatic training in the USA
Aerobatic training in the USA
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I am thinking of going over to the USA to do a basic aerobatic course. I want to fly over here and eventually enter competitions but would like my initial training to be consolidated over a week. I was thinking of somewhere like Arizona and have been to Chandler before which I enjoyed.
I just wondered whether anyone can recommend any other places?
Also what is the situation regarding sevis, visa etc? I flew over there 3 years ago and had to get a 61.75 which took forever, will I need to do this again? The training will all be dual so do I need to go through all that hassle or can I just turn up and fly?
Regards
I am thinking of going over to the USA to do a basic aerobatic course. I want to fly over here and eventually enter competitions but would like my initial training to be consolidated over a week. I was thinking of somewhere like Arizona and have been to Chandler before which I enjoyed.
I just wondered whether anyone can recommend any other places?
Also what is the situation regarding sevis, visa etc? I flew over there 3 years ago and had to get a 61.75 which took forever, will I need to do this again? The training will all be dual so do I need to go through all that hassle or can I just turn up and fly?
Regards
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There's no reason you shouldn't be able to do a basic aerobatics course in a week in the UK, unless you choose a particularly bad week for weather.
What aeroplane are you planning to use for competition?
What aeroplane are you planning to use for competition?
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The problem, is if I book a week off work I don't get paid. If I go to somewhere like Arizona then I know I will get to fly probably every day. I don't want to book a week off and end up not flying here because of weather. Also I haven't been on holiday for 2.5 years so it would be nice to get away.
I have joined the Tiger club so will be continuing my training with them on the Cap10. I will also be keeping my eye out for a share in something.
The problem, is if I book a week off work I don't get paid. If I go to somewhere like Arizona then I know I will get to fly probably every day. I don't want to book a week off and end up not flying here because of weather. Also I haven't been on holiday for 2.5 years so it would be nice to get away.
I have joined the Tiger club so will be continuing my training with them on the Cap10. I will also be keeping my eye out for a share in something.
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Try Sunrise aviation in California (South Los Angeles)
Nice people and a good selection of different aerobatic aircraft
http://www.sunriseaviation.com/aerob...airplanes.html
Otherwise try http://www.iacusn.org/schools/index.php
Nice people and a good selection of different aerobatic aircraft
http://www.sunriseaviation.com/aerob...airplanes.html
Otherwise try http://www.iacusn.org/schools/index.php
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If you're looking at Arizona, try Budd Davisson at Airbum:
Pitts Flight Training
And California try CP Aviation at Santa Paula:
CP Aviation
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Pitts Flight Training
And California try CP Aviation at Santa Paula:
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Also what is the situation regarding sevis, visa etc? I flew over there 3 years ago and had to get a 61.75 which took forever, will I need to do this again? The training will all be dual so do I need to go through all that hassle or can I just turn up and fly?
https://www.flightschoolcandidates.g...c§ion=WN#C
If all the training is dual you also won't need your own licence. The instructor will be PIC. Similarly, you won't need a US medical. But if you already have a 61.75 "piggyback" PPL and the underlying licence (including the licence number) has not changed and is valid, then you should be able to "reactivate" this PPL with just a BFR. And for a 61.75 you can either have an FAA medical, or a valid medical attached to the underlying licence. This might come in handy if you do want to do a solo flight at some point in time.
Visa is a far more debatable issue. You might want to search this forum for more opinions, and here's a few links that you may want to read:
Visitor Visas - Business and Pleasure
English USA - Issues related to study on B status in Intensive English Programs
http://www.pprune.org/private-flying...art-1-a-5.html (start at post #90)
In your case my gut feeling is that you would need an M-1 visa. But I would call the embassy or consulate first to confirm.
The big issue you'll find is that M-1 visas can only be issued if your "sponsor" (the school) is connected to the SEVIS system. Which is typically only true for Part-141 schools, and specialized flight schools like aerobatics, tailwheel and seaplane schools are not normally Part-141.
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A list of aerobatic schools:
http://www.iacusn.org/schools/index.php
I can recommend:
APS in Arizona Upset Recovery Instruction, Aerobatics Flying, Spin/Stall Flight Training
Tutima Academy Tutima Academy | Sean D. Tucker
Greg Koontz Welcome to Greg Koontz Aviation!
Dagmar Kress Welcome | Dagmar Aerobatics
Rich Stowell Rich Stowell's Aviation Learning Center
and Bud Davisson of course
(no particular order).
Seems to me that a tourist visa would suffice for "enrollment in a short recreational course of study" which is what my friends have done.
I'm currently in the US for a couple of aerobatic contests - unfortunately the first was washed out in the Colorado floods.
http://www.iacusn.org/schools/index.php
I can recommend:
APS in Arizona Upset Recovery Instruction, Aerobatics Flying, Spin/Stall Flight Training
Tutima Academy Tutima Academy | Sean D. Tucker
Greg Koontz Welcome to Greg Koontz Aviation!
Dagmar Kress Welcome | Dagmar Aerobatics
Rich Stowell Rich Stowell's Aviation Learning Center
and Bud Davisson of course
(no particular order).
Seems to me that a tourist visa would suffice for "enrollment in a short recreational course of study" which is what my friends have done.
I'm currently in the US for a couple of aerobatic contests - unfortunately the first was washed out in the Colorado floods.
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I spent a great week at Tutima back in March. The aeroplanes are immaculate, the instructors are very good and it was 23 degrees and sunny nearly all week.
I flew the Pitts S-2B, S-2C and Extra 300L in a customized program. But they also do a very popular 5 day comprehensive APT introduction to aerobatics course. This also includes a lot of spin recovery practice.
I entered the USA under the Esta visa waiver program. There are no special restrictions on aerobatic training for international pilots.
No aerobatics, but here is a video that shows some of my training to give an idea of the setting.
I flew the Pitts S-2B, S-2C and Extra 300L in a customized program. But they also do a very popular 5 day comprehensive APT introduction to aerobatics course. This also includes a lot of spin recovery practice.
I entered the USA under the Esta visa waiver program. There are no special restrictions on aerobatic training for international pilots.
No aerobatics, but here is a video that shows some of my training to give an idea of the setting.
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I am the OP and I went to Chandler in Arizona. I flew the Great Lakes and it was great.
If you go make sure you ask for a canyon flight.
Have a look at this video, I did all of this and more in this aircraft and its still the best flying I have ever done.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCjpa5dOoiA
I am the OP and I went to Chandler in Arizona. I flew the Great Lakes and it was great.
If you go make sure you ask for a canyon flight.
Have a look at this video, I did all of this and more in this aircraft and its still the best flying I have ever done.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCjpa5dOoiA
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in the UK
Is there a list of places to learn aerobatics in the UK? Looking for somewhere in the South East. Interested in it and looking for somewhere to learn. I know of Redhill (Slingsby) , Blackbushe (152 Aerobat) and Goodwood (Bulldog and Extra) Just wondered if there are any others.
Thanks
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AOPA publish a list of their members who offer training for the AOPA certificates:-
AOPA Aerobatics Certificate
AOPA Aerobatics Certificate
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if in south east, tiger club at pent farm have a cap10c which is a very nice plane to fly and £200 per tacho. If you want to learn to fly a tiger moth that also £200 per hour.
otherwise bang for buck, Cambridge have an extra 200 which only about £250 dual £210 solo and even more fun to fly.
otherwise bang for buck, Cambridge have an extra 200 which only about £250 dual £210 solo and even more fun to fly.