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Westbeach Flight Academy - Halfpenny Green
Looks like another casualty? they have recently down sized loosing their HoT, another key instructor and their Helicopter link person. Looks like they are suspending commercial training?
I am now considering other schools for my training!
I am now considering other schools for my training!
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If paying for any services there whether by credit or debit card.
Check the heading of the printout from the little machine very carefully to see if your money is going to an entirely non aviation company. One report of this today.
Check the heading of the printout from the little machine very carefully to see if your money is going to an entirely non aviation company. One report of this today.
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I do not agree with the posts above, WestBeach is an honest company that takes the loss of it's students as it's top priority. All instructors have a great approach towards their students, treating them equally and fairly! I plan to do all my training at WestBeach right up to my CPL/IR and MCC ! I have tried other flight schools before and WestBeach is much better!
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WBS Are you really a potential student there or staff?
I ask as you complained about this thread with these words:
Let me make this clear. My post has nothing to do with the original message on this thread. It refers to a report today from an extremely puzzled customer who tells us he found the payment slip showed that his money was going to a care home and not a flying school.
While I may only be fit for a care home rather than a flight deck these days I would be puzzled too and I would have concerns about any payment dispute that might arise.
I ask as you complained about this thread with these words:
This is false information! It is trying to sabotage our company by an ex employee
While I may only be fit for a care home rather than a flight deck these days I would be puzzled too and I would have concerns about any payment dispute that might arise.
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A little due diligence would seem sensible before anyone parts with a sum of money (by way of advance payment) to any flying school for a course.
The most obvious question is of course is the school able to offer (In its own name and right) the course that is requested. A school requires approval from the CAA to offer training. A quick online check this morning shows Westbeach as not listed on the latest list of CAA approved FTO's to offer CPL and MCC courses. When you google Westbeach Aviation you get taken to a webpage for Halfpenny Green Flying Centre. If you look at their registration with the CAA it shows as Jetstream Executive Travel (Leasing) Ltd with Halfpenny Green Flying Center as a trading name.
The obvious question is why another change of name to Westbeach aviation? A look on The Companies house website shows the date of incorporation of Halfpenny Green Flying Center Ltd as 26/08/2011 and Westbeach Aviation Ltd as 28/06/2011 (before the other company) Its hard to understand why that is the case? Why pay for all of the branding (letterheads, paperwork, website) to be done twice in such a short period of time?
A further search on Google finds the name of the CEO on his self promotion webpage. A quick check of his directorships shows him to have been a director of 37 companies, some of which are Aviation / Flying school related, including Flight Acadamy (Wolverhampton) ltd - where did that school go?
A google search gives a link to: http://www.pprune.org/professional-p...erhampton.html
In view of these few facts I think Pprune towers advice is sage advice and caution would be sensible.
Whilst checking the register of directorships held by the CEO I could not help but wonder if this was all just a very wierd and unfortunate coincidence. However - based on the directorships it would make me very cautious if I wanted to purchase something from the company. It seems that a lot of effort has gone into creating a number of similar trade companies, rather than concentrating on making one company a sustained business.
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The most obvious question is of course is the school able to offer (In its own name and right) the course that is requested. A school requires approval from the CAA to offer training. A quick online check this morning shows Westbeach as not listed on the latest list of CAA approved FTO's to offer CPL and MCC courses. When you google Westbeach Aviation you get taken to a webpage for Halfpenny Green Flying Centre. If you look at their registration with the CAA it shows as Jetstream Executive Travel (Leasing) Ltd with Halfpenny Green Flying Center as a trading name.
The obvious question is why another change of name to Westbeach aviation? A look on The Companies house website shows the date of incorporation of Halfpenny Green Flying Center Ltd as 26/08/2011 and Westbeach Aviation Ltd as 28/06/2011 (before the other company) Its hard to understand why that is the case? Why pay for all of the branding (letterheads, paperwork, website) to be done twice in such a short period of time?
A further search on Google finds the name of the CEO on his self promotion webpage. A quick check of his directorships shows him to have been a director of 37 companies, some of which are Aviation / Flying school related, including Flight Acadamy (Wolverhampton) ltd - where did that school go?
A google search gives a link to: http://www.pprune.org/professional-p...erhampton.html
In view of these few facts I think Pprune towers advice is sage advice and caution would be sensible.
Whilst checking the register of directorships held by the CEO I could not help but wonder if this was all just a very wierd and unfortunate coincidence. However - based on the directorships it would make me very cautious if I wanted to purchase something from the company. It seems that a lot of effort has gone into creating a number of similar trade companies, rather than concentrating on making one company a sustained business.
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...he'll hath no fury like an ex employee scorned
Can it be a coincidence that two key guys get fired due to not fitting in with new culture and these rumours mysteriously star.
The facts,if anyone actually bothers looking into them, appear to be fairly straightforward.
Both Flight Academy Wolverhampton ang Halfpenny Green Flying Centre have been bought out last year and are being rebranded Westbeach but commercial training can only be provided under that name when approved by CAA in due course.
Current approval for CPL sits under Jetstream Executive Travel (Leasing) trading as Halfpenny Green Flying Centre hence use of that name for the moment.
Director has another very successful care business which allows him to fund new venture until it becomes fully self supporting. Most of the other businesses are actually non trading.
.......but hey, why let the facts get in the way of a good false rumour started by disgruntled employees.
The facts,if anyone actually bothers looking into them, appear to be fairly straightforward.
Both Flight Academy Wolverhampton ang Halfpenny Green Flying Centre have been bought out last year and are being rebranded Westbeach but commercial training can only be provided under that name when approved by CAA in due course.
Current approval for CPL sits under Jetstream Executive Travel (Leasing) trading as Halfpenny Green Flying Centre hence use of that name for the moment.
Director has another very successful care business which allows him to fund new venture until it becomes fully self supporting. Most of the other businesses are actually non trading.
.......but hey, why let the facts get in the way of a good false rumour started by disgruntled employees.
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Hi Yaeger Air,
Good to see you as a new poster - it's obvious from what you have said that are connected to all the businesses so perhaps a few questions answered in public by you would help build confidence in the operation.
So here goes:
1: What name appears on the invoices to the students at the moment - is it The Jetstream name, the Halfpenny Green name or the Westbeach name?
2: It's obvious that the Commercial flying instructor has gone - when will the companies be set up again, staff in place and approved by the CAA to provide the commercial training?
3: Please confirm, in view of your published comment (See below), that due to the funds available to the owner that the rumours about outstanding debts are in fact untrue and all the aircraft and associated costs, staff costs, airfield costs etc are paid up to date and other than the expected "30 day" invoices is all that's outstanding? It would be good to hear your reassurance as without doubt it would quash any rumours flying around.
4: Perhaps you could explain exactly what happened at Flight Acadamy (Wolverhampton) Ltd, was it untrue that instructors left as their wages had not been paid?
5: Why use the Westbeach name before the respective approvals are in place, it would not be a problem to end the old approval and transfer them to a new company overnight to stop any uncertainty and doubt?
6: I also suspect that you are not 31, as you claim and that your location is currently the Bahamas and your age is closer to 53
Good to see you as a new poster - it's obvious from what you have said that are connected to all the businesses so perhaps a few questions answered in public by you would help build confidence in the operation.
So here goes:
1: What name appears on the invoices to the students at the moment - is it The Jetstream name, the Halfpenny Green name or the Westbeach name?
2: It's obvious that the Commercial flying instructor has gone - when will the companies be set up again, staff in place and approved by the CAA to provide the commercial training?
3: Please confirm, in view of your published comment (See below), that due to the funds available to the owner that the rumours about outstanding debts are in fact untrue and all the aircraft and associated costs, staff costs, airfield costs etc are paid up to date and other than the expected "30 day" invoices is all that's outstanding? It would be good to hear your reassurance as without doubt it would quash any rumours flying around.
Director has another very successful care business which allows him to fund new venture until it becomes fully self supporting. Most of the other businesses are actually non trading.
5: Why use the Westbeach name before the respective approvals are in place, it would not be a problem to end the old approval and transfer them to a new company overnight to stop any uncertainty and doubt?
6: I also suspect that you are not 31, as you claim and that your location is currently the Bahamas and your age is closer to 53
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Westbeach Leader, from your post I feel it is safe to assume that you have intricate first hand knowledge of the company and its relevant structure and are responding in an "official" way
Why has the Commercial training been voluntarily suspended. Could it be legally offered today, are the approvals in place today?
Therefore it's safe to assume that you are speaking on behalf of the Companies....
Then WHY post....
Commercial training has been voluntarily suspended until August when the new team come on line and CPL/IR MCC FIC training will recommence
I can advise that the situation as described by 'Yeager' is accurate
Westbeach are also not inclined to get into a bun fight on an anonymous forum.
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It is true to my knowledge that 2 post holders were removed from the HGFC/FAW (soon to be Westbeach) staff. But this in a least one case was due to misconduct to a significant level.
Regarding the unpaid wages at flight academy wolverhampton that is a historic situation that took place even before the present owners were in place, when it was still owned by Flight academy Blackpool.
I can also advise you that invoices are headed HGFC and FAW as the company has operated as 2 companies up to this point
I have had reason to use the companies services myself and have consulted my archived invoices to establish this fact.
You can be assured I would be the first to distance myself from a dubious operator due to my position
This thread does nothing but pointlessly and unfairly damage the image of EGBO and a operator attempting to form a useful enterprise.
What exactly does 'voluntarily suspended' mean?
An action volunteered to whom?
If entering the building just which of the dizzying myriad of companies is actually training me?
Is it the name on the door, or the invoice or the credit/debit slip?
Why would I as a trainee pilot or PPL being paying a care home?
If for any reason I have a dispute which company is it actually with?
Why might my money going somewhere else entirely when I key my PIN into the PDQ machine?
If Instructors appear to have had their TUPE rights ignored during the dance of Companies House what chance do I have if I perceive a problem?
So how do you know that its damaging EGBO? It may be doing exactly the opposite, that is protecting the innocent supplier (such as mechanics, the airfield itself, or the customers)An action volunteered to whom?
If entering the building just which of the dizzying myriad of companies is actually training me?
Is it the name on the door, or the invoice or the credit/debit slip?
Why would I as a trainee pilot or PPL being paying a care home?
If for any reason I have a dispute which company is it actually with?
Why might my money going somewhere else entirely when I key my PIN into the PDQ machine?
If Instructors appear to have had their TUPE rights ignored during the dance of Companies House what chance do I have if I perceive a problem?
I strongly suggest that you are heavily involved with all three companies.
Should anyone wanting to buy services from any of the three companies then caution should be made and check that the company providing the service is the company you pay and who gives you a receipt.
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I did my PPL at Half Penny Green Flight Centre that went bust & is now basically the Flight Academy. They claim it's a different business but same instructors & same style of business. Multi instructors while doing your PPL, I had over 10, they almost never cancel a lesson due to bad weather, you will be doing constant bad weather circuits. I almost gave up the PPL course a few times because of the poor service I was getting. By luck a decent part time instructor came along towards the end & I finished the PPL with him.
At the time I knew nothing about flying, I now know I was being ripped off left right & centre. Even after I finished the PPL they forced all students to convert to a DA40 from PA28 at 8 - 10 hours conversion & after about 6 months the DA40 was repossessed so everyone had to revert back to a PA28. I notice only this week The Flight Academy have changed their Cirrus SR20 to DA40 , I guess a few people will now be doing unneeded conversions again.
After they went bust I changed to the Flying School Ltd at Half Penny Green (01384 221700) for renting there PA 28, I quickly realised how bad the Flight Centre \ Flight Academy is run. I have since done my IMC with the Flying School Ltd & I am very impressed with them. The aircraft are in excellent condition, The lessons \ Slots are on time, No upfront fees & generally a very well run small business not out to rip people off.
If you are looking to do a PPL in West Midlands then you won't get better than the Flying School Ltd.
At the time I knew nothing about flying, I now know I was being ripped off left right & centre. Even after I finished the PPL they forced all students to convert to a DA40 from PA28 at 8 - 10 hours conversion & after about 6 months the DA40 was repossessed so everyone had to revert back to a PA28. I notice only this week The Flight Academy have changed their Cirrus SR20 to DA40 , I guess a few people will now be doing unneeded conversions again.
After they went bust I changed to the Flying School Ltd at Half Penny Green (01384 221700) for renting there PA 28, I quickly realised how bad the Flight Centre \ Flight Academy is run. I have since done my IMC with the Flying School Ltd & I am very impressed with them. The aircraft are in excellent condition, The lessons \ Slots are on time, No upfront fees & generally a very well run small business not out to rip people off.
If you are looking to do a PPL in West Midlands then you won't get better than the Flying School Ltd.
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Hi Mcgoo,
Good post, I'm surprised that they let students fly in negative equity.
I do respectfully remind you of the post of "yeager air" who I suspect is in fact the CEO
It looks like none of the questions I asked earlier have been answered by any of the full time staff.
Its incredible that back in 2011 you were training in the name of Westbeach long before ANY attempt was made to get that company associated with a RTO / FTO. Why not train as Halfpenny Green Flying Center Ltd - I don't understand?
SO WHICH OF THE MYRIAD OF COMPANIES IS TRAINING THE STUDENTS AND WHO HOLDS THE APPROVAL? Who held the actual approval in the early months for each trading entity?
Good post, I'm surprised that they let students fly in negative equity.
I do respectfully remind you of the post of "yeager air" who I suspect is in fact the CEO
The facts,if anyone actually bothers looking into them, appear to be fairly straightforward.
Both Flight Academy Wolverhampton ang Halfpenny Green Flying Centre have been bought out last year and are being rebranded Westbeach but commercial training can only be provided under that name when approved by CAA in due course.
Current approval for CPL sits under Jetstream Executive Travel (Leasing) trading as Halfpenny Green Flying Centre hence use of that name for the moment.
Both Flight Academy Wolverhampton ang Halfpenny Green Flying Centre have been bought out last year and are being rebranded Westbeach but commercial training can only be provided under that name when approved by CAA in due course.
Current approval for CPL sits under Jetstream Executive Travel (Leasing) trading as Halfpenny Green Flying Centre hence use of that name for the moment.
Its incredible that back in 2011 you were training in the name of Westbeach long before ANY attempt was made to get that company associated with a RTO / FTO. Why not train as Halfpenny Green Flying Center Ltd - I don't understand?
SO WHICH OF THE MYRIAD OF COMPANIES IS TRAINING THE STUDENTS AND WHO HOLDS THE APPROVAL? Who held the actual approval in the early months for each trading entity?
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Westbeach leader,
Thanks for the invite, I might take you up on that. I have had a number of emails tonight. One suggested that I ask for C..... as she is the boss and works closely with the director, is that who I should ask for? Is that you?
Thanks for the invite, I might take you up on that. I have had a number of emails tonight. One suggested that I ask for C..... as she is the boss and works closely with the director, is that who I should ask for? Is that you?
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This should be relatively easy to clear up. In my experience there are a significant number of companies (legal entities) that are called "Something Boring Ltd" but they choose to trade as "Something Really Intersting". A quick look at the Approval Certificate (which should be hanging on the wall in the FTO) will answer the question with the CAA not being averse to issuing an approval saying "Something Boring Ltd trading as Something Really Interesting"
Any monetary transactions may have Something Really Intersting written across the top of an invoice (normally with a snazzy logo) but the Someting Boring Ltd name needs to be visible in the company details bit (including registration numbers etc) written in a very small font across the bottom.
Any monetary transactions may have Something Really Intersting written across the top of an invoice (normally with a snazzy logo) but the Someting Boring Ltd name needs to be visible in the company details bit (including registration numbers etc) written in a very small font across the bottom.
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I notice that no one has questioned the motivation behind the original posting from midland flyer. This character appears to have registered on pprune around 8.5 years ago and has only made 2 posts in that time. Although I cannot find the other posting; which was probably made around December of 2003 I would imagine that it would have been placed solely to further the interests of this party, whatever they may be.
When he or she states that they are now considering other schools for their training I can’t help wondering whether they mean delivering that training rather than receiving it...
When he or she states that they are now considering other schools for their training I can’t help wondering whether they mean delivering that training rather than receiving it...
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What a strange thread. I would normally avoid getting involved but seem to have been drawn into this in rather an unexpected fashion.
It’s not unusual to see those attacking an organisation remaining anonymous but I’m surprised that those defending the school under the names ‘Westbeach Student’ and ‘Westbeach Leader’ also wish to remain anonymous. An honourable mention for ‘mcgoo’ here.
It’s the poster ‘Lasham172’ who really intrigues me. Why do I get the feeling that’s meant to be me?
What’s that about? Bizarre.
For the avoidance of doubt, I only ever post on pprune under the name of ‘172 driver’ and not very often. I don’t feel the need to appear anonymous.
Alastair Mackinnon
Operations Manager, Wolverhampton / Halfpenny Green Airport.
It’s not unusual to see those attacking an organisation remaining anonymous but I’m surprised that those defending the school under the names ‘Westbeach Student’ and ‘Westbeach Leader’ also wish to remain anonymous. An honourable mention for ‘mcgoo’ here.
It’s the poster ‘Lasham172’ who really intrigues me. Why do I get the feeling that’s meant to be me?
What’s that about? Bizarre.For the avoidance of doubt, I only ever post on pprune under the name of ‘172 driver’ and not very often. I don’t feel the need to appear anonymous.
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Hi Kermorvan,
I don't know if HPG is your closest airfield or not, but it would be ashame if you are serious about flying for you to chose another airfield on the basis of rumours/bad press concerning one flying school.
I am based at Half penny and having visited quite a few airfields over the last few years I can honestly say it is the among the friendliest of places with good facilities and three Tarmac runways to boot.
I am not trying to defend west beach, they certainly do have issues, however there are three other schools on the airfield as well as a micro light school.
If you are looking for friendly professional training then you could try speaking to Andy at the flying school or Bob at Wolverhampton flight training.
Footnote: I am in no way associated with any of the flying clubs at HPG other than as a ppl. I do not have any business interest at the airfield, flying club or otherwise, I just enjoy flying and spending time there and do not want any negative press to affect the airfield unfairly.
I don't know if HPG is your closest airfield or not, but it would be ashame if you are serious about flying for you to chose another airfield on the basis of rumours/bad press concerning one flying school.
I am based at Half penny and having visited quite a few airfields over the last few years I can honestly say it is the among the friendliest of places with good facilities and three Tarmac runways to boot.
I am not trying to defend west beach, they certainly do have issues, however there are three other schools on the airfield as well as a micro light school.
If you are looking for friendly professional training then you could try speaking to Andy at the flying school or Bob at Wolverhampton flight training.
Footnote: I am in no way associated with any of the flying clubs at HPG other than as a ppl. I do not have any business interest at the airfield, flying club or otherwise, I just enjoy flying and spending time there and do not want any negative press to affect the airfield unfairly.
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Sadly the questions seem to continue about Westbeach and its operation. It would appear that people have felt the real need to ask the question - "Who exactly is that I am trading with, what is the trading entity that I need to serve my letters and papers on for recovery of money"
In an earlier post this question was asked (keeping in mind that a number of Westbeach staff were posting on the thread - including one calling himself "Westbeach Leader")
I know that some of the creditors have been generous with offering repayment plans. However the attempts to hide behind a multitude of names does not give the creditors a warm and fuzzy feeling...
In an earlier post this question was asked (keeping in mind that a number of Westbeach staff were posting on the thread - including one calling himself "Westbeach Leader")
Please confirm, in view of your published comment (See below), that due to the funds available to the owner that the rumours about outstanding debts are in fact untrue and all the aircraft and associated costs, staff costs, airfield costs etc are paid up to date and other than the expected "30 day" invoices is all that's outstanding? It would be good to hear your reassurance as without doubt it would quash any rumours flying around.
I know that some of the creditors have been generous with offering repayment plans. However the attempts to hide behind a multitude of names does not give the creditors a warm and fuzzy feeling...
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oh do tell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Spent most of the day sitting on a phone to some annually retentive (spelling mistake intended) government department listening to "your call is important to us- please hold the line!" when they really mean we couldnt give a bug that you are on the phone and we wont answer it!!!
Could do with a good laugh!
Spent most of the day sitting on a phone to some annually retentive (spelling mistake intended) government department listening to "your call is important to us- please hold the line!" when they really mean we couldnt give a bug that you are on the phone and we wont answer it!!!
Could do with a good laugh!
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"Curiouser and curiouser! said Alice" - Well, I am certain that neither Lewis Carroll or Robert Lundrum or even Douglas Adams could have written the script!!
This thread has taken many twists and turns, the latest is a PM I received from DA42queen. Normally PM's remain private, unless they are deliberately designed to mislead.
DA42Queen, who sent the PM, just happens to use the same (FIXED) IP address as Westbeach Leader, WestBeach Student and Lasham 172.
It's reasonable to assume that they share the same Internet provider and have all used the same internet connection at some point during their communications with this thread. If we look at the wording of the posting by Lasham 172, anyone with a little background knowledge might be WRONGLY led to think that Lasham 172 was perhaps the Airfield Manager at Halfpenny Green, who flies a 172 and did work at Lasham, He is a highly respected person who is renown for his honesty and integrity, he is also a Magistrate. With that in mind it's worth reading again the posting - (which had been deleted, following the Airfield Managers post rebuking the post of Lasham 172)
Yesterday I received a PM from DA42 Queen. The content is below:
Well DA42 Queen, I suspect that as you have used the same IP address as the others then you are indeed already involved with Westbeach.
My working knowledge "of this operator" is from what can be obtained in the Public Domain.
Rather than setting up numerous users, all from the same internet account, users which when you read the posts seem to try to portray a "story", would it not be easier to establish credibility (if there is nothing to hide and no problems) to simply answer the question posted sometime ago?
To recap, the main question (from post 8 on 12th July) was:
For anyone reading this who does not understand why the posting has been made, its simple really - there have been numerous calls from creditors (to various parties) confused as to exactly what company (within the "Westbeach" name change umbrella) owes them money and who they should be addressing to serve papers to recover money.
Perhaps this is all a simple misunderstanding.
This thread has taken many twists and turns, the latest is a PM I received from DA42queen. Normally PM's remain private, unless they are deliberately designed to mislead.
DA42Queen, who sent the PM, just happens to use the same (FIXED) IP address as Westbeach Leader, WestBeach Student and Lasham 172.
It's reasonable to assume that they share the same Internet provider and have all used the same internet connection at some point during their communications with this thread. If we look at the wording of the posting by Lasham 172, anyone with a little background knowledge might be WRONGLY led to think that Lasham 172 was perhaps the Airfield Manager at Halfpenny Green, who flies a 172 and did work at Lasham, He is a highly respected person who is renown for his honesty and integrity, he is also a Magistrate. With that in mind it's worth reading again the posting - (which had been deleted, following the Airfield Managers post rebuking the post of Lasham 172)
Deleted post of Lasham 172:
I must take issue with the nature of the posts on this tread. It is true to my knowledge that 2 post holders were removed from the HGFC/FAW (soon to be Westbeach) staff. But this in a least one case was due to misconduct to a significant level. This individual has a history of being a most confrontational individual and I can fully understand that the company had no choice in terminating his employ. Airfields like EGBO HAVE to survive for the good of GA, and they can only survive if operators exist and can work effectively. As for bringing the CEO into it, that is quite frankly absurd. Regarding the unpaid wages at flight academy wolverhampton that is a historic situation that took place even before the present owners were in place, when it was still owned by Flight academy Blackpool. I can also advise you that invoices are headed HGFC and FAW as the company has operated as 2 companies up to this point. I have had reason to use the companies services myself and have consulted my archived invoices to establish this fact. You can be assured I would be the first to distance myself from a dubious operator due to my position. and I can assure you Goldeneaglepilot, that your investigation is flawed and indeed misinformed. These rambling would be thrown out of any court of law I am familiar with, and they should be discarded as trivia on here.
This thread does nothing but pointlessly and unfairly damage the image of EGBO and a operator attempting to form a useful enterprise.
I must take issue with the nature of the posts on this tread. It is true to my knowledge that 2 post holders were removed from the HGFC/FAW (soon to be Westbeach) staff. But this in a least one case was due to misconduct to a significant level. This individual has a history of being a most confrontational individual and I can fully understand that the company had no choice in terminating his employ. Airfields like EGBO HAVE to survive for the good of GA, and they can only survive if operators exist and can work effectively. As for bringing the CEO into it, that is quite frankly absurd. Regarding the unpaid wages at flight academy wolverhampton that is a historic situation that took place even before the present owners were in place, when it was still owned by Flight academy Blackpool. I can also advise you that invoices are headed HGFC and FAW as the company has operated as 2 companies up to this point. I have had reason to use the companies services myself and have consulted my archived invoices to establish this fact. You can be assured I would be the first to distance myself from a dubious operator due to my position. and I can assure you Goldeneaglepilot, that your investigation is flawed and indeed misinformed. These rambling would be thrown out of any court of law I am familiar with, and they should be discarded as trivia on here.
This thread does nothing but pointlessly and unfairly damage the image of EGBO and a operator attempting to form a useful enterprise.
Westbeach Flight Academy
Hello Sir,
I dont like the PPRuNe forum at all, in fact I aviod it. But this information about westbeach concerns me. I am in talks with them to lease an aircraft from myself. Could you tell me, are any facts i should be aware of. I have met with the key personel there and all appears fine. Their story is that this PPRuNe stuff is the work of an ex staff member!
You appear to have a woking knowlage of this operator!
Any info you could pass onto so as to help me make an informed decision on involving myself with westbeach would be a great help.
Thanks.
Hello Sir,
I dont like the PPRuNe forum at all, in fact I aviod it. But this information about westbeach concerns me. I am in talks with them to lease an aircraft from myself. Could you tell me, are any facts i should be aware of. I have met with the key personel there and all appears fine. Their story is that this PPRuNe stuff is the work of an ex staff member!
You appear to have a woking knowlage of this operator!
Any info you could pass onto so as to help me make an informed decision on involving myself with westbeach would be a great help.
Thanks.
My working knowledge "of this operator" is from what can be obtained in the Public Domain.
Rather than setting up numerous users, all from the same internet account, users which when you read the posts seem to try to portray a "story", would it not be easier to establish credibility (if there is nothing to hide and no problems) to simply answer the question posted sometime ago?
To recap, the main question (from post 8 on 12th July) was:
3: Please confirm, in view of your published comment (See below), that due to the funds available to the owner that the rumours about outstanding debts are in fact untrue and all the aircraft and associated costs, staff costs, airfield costs etc are paid up to date and other than the expected "30 day" invoices is all that's outstanding? It would be good to hear your reassurance as without doubt it would quash any rumours flying around.
Perhaps this is all a simple misunderstanding.