Light Aircraft Crash on Isle of Wight
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Light Aircraft Crash on Isle of Wight
BBC News reporting light aircraft accident on Isle of Wight.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/h...re/6932146.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/h...re/6932146.stm
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We were joining the circuit at the time and saw the smoke and flames
Was a Cherokee 140 with 4 on board from Tatenhill (so we were told by the movements people) had refuelled and was taking off for France on RW23 with a light xwind varying in direction so could have had a tailwind, witness's reported it was very low at the end of the runway, just made it over the garden centre and trees beyond in a very nose high attitude and descended into the field beyond
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Was a Cherokee 140 with 4 on board from Tatenhill (so we were told by the movements people) had refuelled and was taking off for France on RW23 with a light xwind varying in direction so could have had a tailwind, witness's reported it was very low at the end of the runway, just made it over the garden centre and trees beyond in a very nose high attitude and descended into the field beyond
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I didn't want to say it myself but a PA28 140 with 4 POB and full fuel is way over weight.
But it is a terrible tragedy never the less.
I might add that we do not know if the aircraft was overweight. It is highly possible it stopped at IoW for enough fuel to get it from IoW to it's destination in France with enough reserve and to remain in W&B. And for my tupence worth I think this is the case, after all a PA28 should be able to do Tatenhill to queit a few places in france on a full tank. Being 4 up I am willing to put money on the fact the pilot done his W&B correctly and took enough fuel to get to IoW and so on.
Again terrible tragedy.
I didn't want to say it myself but a PA28 140 with 4 POB and full fuel is way over weight.
But it is a terrible tragedy never the less.
I might add that we do not know if the aircraft was overweight. It is highly possible it stopped at IoW for enough fuel to get it from IoW to it's destination in France with enough reserve and to remain in W&B. And for my tupence worth I think this is the case, after all a PA28 should be able to do Tatenhill to queit a few places in france on a full tank. Being 4 up I am willing to put money on the fact the pilot done his W&B correctly and took enough fuel to get to IoW and so on.
Again terrible tragedy.
A very sad accident, but it could have been a lot worse if the plane hadn't made it over the H&J garden centre that would have been full of people at midday on a Sunday.
I've been over there a few times, and wondered whether they might get an unwelcome aerial visitor one day. With the new runway attracting more and possibly heavier traffic the garden centre people may be getting nervous.
I've been over there a few times, and wondered whether they might get an unwelcome aerial visitor one day. With the new runway attracting more and possibly heavier traffic the garden centre people may be getting nervous.
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I flew yesterday with my instructor and since I am just finishing off my PPL it was the first time I had flown in hot humid weather.
Nothing different about the aircraft, full fuel as usual. I was really surprized about the takeoff performance, the take off run did not feel right, there was a reluctance to leave the ground, but the real surprize was the climb rate, it felt around 40-50% slower. I of course was checking the configuration and engine settings to work out was was wrong. It was my instructor pointing out the poor performance due to the temperature. The aircraft is a bulldog.
I know the comment is not related to the incident directly, but just an observation on how I found this weather to affect aircraft performance.
Nothing different about the aircraft, full fuel as usual. I was really surprized about the takeoff performance, the take off run did not feel right, there was a reluctance to leave the ground, but the real surprize was the climb rate, it felt around 40-50% slower. I of course was checking the configuration and engine settings to work out was was wrong. It was my instructor pointing out the poor performance due to the temperature. The aircraft is a bulldog.
I know the comment is not related to the incident directly, but just an observation on how I found this weather to affect aircraft performance.
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Unfortunately for those concerned they did not learn from the same accident about ten years ago at the same airport with the same aircraft (PA28 140) and the same weather conditions. Thanks to people who dont learn from History airfields like Sandown will end up closed my mother has got a house not too far from the site and is having a hissy fit about aircraft. The old git will now join the local noise committee and will probably become one of the constant moaners. She does have reason now to complain and whinge !!! As stated in previous post the 140 is not the best perfomer and may be it should have been pointed out to pilot.(You can not make a silk purse out out of a pigs ear)
It is a very sad outcome for all involved, but they successfully created an incident and accident which has already been proved!
It is a very sad outcome for all involved, but they successfully created an incident and accident which has already been proved!
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Notwithstanding the obvious, any number of reasons could be attributed to this awful accident...
My condolences to all concerned.
Been a busy GA aviation day today due to the lovely WX.
Remember to maintain a good lookout and take into consideration the aircraft's reduced performance on such unusually nice days this summer.
Let us not jump to conclusions involving pilot error at this stage tho. For all we know he had engine probs etc...
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My condolences to all concerned.
Been a busy GA aviation day today due to the lovely WX.
Remember to maintain a good lookout and take into consideration the aircraft's reduced performance on such unusually nice days this summer.
Let us not jump to conclusions involving pilot error at this stage tho. For all we know he had engine probs etc...
VFE.
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Another tragic day. I hope that none of our regular contributors were on board..... 
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I watched a Warrior stagger out of Eggesford four-up towards the hill at the end of 29 a couple of years ago. The pilot had been warned by several of us individually that it would be very dodgy. We all stood there waiting for the crash but he somehow got away with it. The attitude of the aircraft as he tried to climb out of ground effect was terrifying.
If this aircraft was a 140 and they were four-up with fuel and no reliable headwind on a warm day then the outcome was a foregone conclusion.
The Colombian Cessna 182 video whould be mandatory viewing ten times for all PPL students and about yearly for the rest of us.
If this aircraft was a 140 and they were four-up with fuel and no reliable headwind on a warm day then the outcome was a foregone conclusion.
The Colombian Cessna 182 video whould be mandatory viewing ten times for all PPL students and about yearly for the rest of us.
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Agree totally. How sad. Remember Bournmouth and Dunkeswell a few years ago.
Just must be a serious training problem. We all have to fly with the realities of aerodynamics.
MikeJ
Agree totally. How sad. Remember Bournmouth and Dunkeswell a few years ago.
Just must be a serious training problem. We all have to fly with the realities of aerodynamics.
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Unfortunately for those concerned they did not learn from the same accident about ten years ago at the same airport with the same aircraft (PA28 140) and the same weather conditions. Thanks to people who dont learn from History airfields like Sandown will end up closed
I don't usually complain about people speculating on threads such as this, as I think it's useful. But speculation is one thing, and acing as prosecutor, judge and jury, on the basis of extremely few facts, is quite another. There could have been any number of reasons for this accident, so let's not jump to conclusions.
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We flew in to Bembridge today. We were warned before arrival that they had no fuel. Obviously pure speculation but because of the longer, harder runway Bembridge would, I guess, have been the preferable choice. It is possible that Sandown was their second choice. Links in the chain perhaps?
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To further whirly's comments :-
An aircraft which is has been loaded correctly with the W & B checked and checked again can still show the characteristics which have been described in earlier posts, for mechanical reasons such as a stuck valve. I have seen an aircraft ditched as it had a stuck valve in high outside air temps. It was making noise but not really going anywhere. Pilot opted to ditch instead of trying to keep it flying.
WARNING :- Speculation below;
It is possible that the pilot in this incident, reached a point of no return and was trying to keep away from the garden centre ending up low, slow with high nose attitude leading to an insipient spin.
Regardless we cannot undo this accident, so lets all see what we can learn from it when the facts start coming out.
An aircraft which is has been loaded correctly with the W & B checked and checked again can still show the characteristics which have been described in earlier posts, for mechanical reasons such as a stuck valve. I have seen an aircraft ditched as it had a stuck valve in high outside air temps. It was making noise but not really going anywhere. Pilot opted to ditch instead of trying to keep it flying.
WARNING :- Speculation below;
It is possible that the pilot in this incident, reached a point of no return and was trying to keep away from the garden centre ending up low, slow with high nose attitude leading to an insipient spin.
Regardless we cannot undo this accident, so lets all see what we can learn from it when the facts start coming out.
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Extremely sad to learn of this tragedy. Was airbourne at the time en-route to Cranfield from Dunkeswell. Only my second time in a light aircraft (C172).
My condolences to the families.
My condolences to the families.
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horrible news 
Thoughts to all the familys
My girlfriend pointed out the accident on the news, and I have to admit the very first thing I though was W&B and performance on a hot day, whats the hight of the airfield?
But all speculation, poor chaps could quite easily had a partial engine failure, so don't jump to rash conclusions.
And remember kids, boring as it may be, a 5 min W&B and take off performance check might mean your next departure won't be your last
Thoughts to all the familys My girlfriend pointed out the accident on the news, and I have to admit the very first thing I though was W&B and performance on a hot day
, whats the hight of the airfield? But all speculation, poor chaps could quite easily had a partial engine failure, so don't jump to rash conclusions.
And remember kids, boring as it may be, a 5 min W&B and take off performance check might mean your next departure won't be your last