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Sorry Heathrow Harry but that’s so wrong remember 7/7,
Remember the troubles in Ireland Dublin Belfast rail line constant target.
Remember Madrid and Paris
In Israel buses have been bombed relentlessly for decades
Ground transport is at significant threat and risk and it’s a much softer target in the main.
Successful use of airliners as weponry have been exceptionally rare, caveat the those utterly abhorrent events in New York and Washington many years ago.
Criminal activity involving airliners have mainly been political hijacking and indeed many have been from the US to Cuba over the years .
Even hijacks have steadily declined because of the levels of security at the front of the house and the armoured door locked cockpits these days.
Remember the troubles in Ireland Dublin Belfast rail line constant target.
Remember Madrid and Paris
In Israel buses have been bombed relentlessly for decades
Ground transport is at significant threat and risk and it’s a much softer target in the main.
Successful use of airliners as weponry have been exceptionally rare, caveat the those utterly abhorrent events in New York and Washington many years ago.
Criminal activity involving airliners have mainly been political hijacking and indeed many have been from the US to Cuba over the years .
Even hijacks have steadily declined because of the levels of security at the front of the house and the armoured door locked cockpits these days.
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Trains and buses have indeed been bombed but 99%of those were in country. Air travel has a much higher profile in the media. Just compare coverage of road accidents which kill hundreds and thousands with headlines such as "ryanair almost use all of runway to takeoff".
Air travel is still seen as special and dangerous........... Any terrorist knows that..... which is why they expend a lot of effort trying to get bombs on board.
Air travel is still seen as special and dangerous........... Any terrorist knows that..... which is why they expend a lot of effort trying to get bombs on board.
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Air travel is still seen as special
P.S. How is Church Fenton doing by the way?
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Indeed the media are primed by our spooks about aviation criminal threats however it’s almost certainly not the prime target to be honest.
The capacity of many groups simply isn’t at the levels of suffisication some journalists would have you believe imho.
Specifically in the case of ISIS where there pernicious methods and cell structures well not even cell structure often lone wolves seem to fail constantly (the British spooks are doing a grand job in degrading them from within btwJ
They haven’t even got the ability to produce an effective explosive device beyond a simple kettle bomb.
Those chemical liquids based bomb ideas are vapour and simply haven’t been demonstrated to work have they aside from one laptop attach in East Africa that killed the criminal and little damage.
All said some groups certainly get publicity via aviation threats even through they probably can’t deliver !
Imho those Islamic groups we all here about are technologically far behind what ETA and the IRA were able to achieve some decades ago however the real concern and risk from them is the total ramdoness of rather simple acts of violence using realily has available materials combined their own death cult !
The capacity of many groups simply isn’t at the levels of suffisication some journalists would have you believe imho.
Specifically in the case of ISIS where there pernicious methods and cell structures well not even cell structure often lone wolves seem to fail constantly (the British spooks are doing a grand job in degrading them from within btwJ
They haven’t even got the ability to produce an effective explosive device beyond a simple kettle bomb.
Those chemical liquids based bomb ideas are vapour and simply haven’t been demonstrated to work have they aside from one laptop attach in East Africa that killed the criminal and little damage.
All said some groups certainly get publicity via aviation threats even through they probably can’t deliver !
Imho those Islamic groups we all here about are technologically far behind what ETA and the IRA were able to achieve some decades ago however the real concern and risk from them is the total ramdoness of rather simple acts of violence using realily has available materials combined their own death cult !
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Was it one of the Paris terro's or Brussels terro's than a probationary cop shot dead on a street in Italy where said terro had travelled to by train ... Presumably terrorism and terrorists have relocated to other modes of transportation because it is too difficult for them to travel by or terrorise airliners!
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Indeed it’s probably the case that the criminally minded loons have moved the sights to softer targets .
I am loath to use the word terrorist in the case of the corrosive so called Islamic murderers.
It gives them some policitical creadance they don’t deserve.
That isn’t to say their acts don’t put fear into the community though.
I am loath to use the word terrorist in the case of the corrosive so called Islamic murderers.
It gives them some policitical creadance they don’t deserve.
That isn’t to say their acts don’t put fear into the community though.
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The question was prompted by a flight from AMS - Italy. No passport check at the gate. From Italy the gate lady made a very thorough check of boarding card v passport before she scanned it. If this is an EU-wide law I understand that Schengen countries can always impose stricter rules should they wish. Could it be that it was because Italy is a Schengen area outer border country? Or Italy has not been notified?
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Pretty funny this discussion for me as Schengen resident. Funny because I'm surprised if I NEED to show a passport at the gate. That almost never happens to me, except for Ryanair flights. Moreover, I do not see the need to show a passport since it is in fact a domestic flight.
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Bjarte: I can agree. All I was discussing is that it changed in the last 12 months. Schengen has been around for years. And yet we hear that Europe is at a heightened level of security vigilance at the same time as they remove a possible tracking system of wanted individuals. On the one hand I applaud the ease of movement, on the other I wonder if the left & right hands are connected in the security world.
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Schiphol is a great airport to use.
I understand the point people are making about passport checks but everybody should have their passport checked to enter that area of the terminal and all should get passports checked when they enter new area outside of the Schengen area. i.e. UK boarder, US boarder etc.
I understand the point people are making about passport checks but everybody should have their passport checked to enter that area of the terminal and all should get passports checked when they enter new area outside of the Schengen area. i.e. UK boarder, US boarder etc.
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I don't think it changed in the last 12 months, no checks has been the standard for years. The only change is that gate agents at Schiphol need to check passports for flights to France, because of the emergency regulation in France.
But these checks don't exist if you travel by road, train, or even by foot. Therefore I fail to understand why you feel they should be needed specifically for air travel?
Not sure if the previous comments about all bags been screened to the same level is relevant in Europe, I've only ever had a note left in my bag to advise that it has been opened leaving the USA, no European agency has ever bothered to check the same sort of contents that I routinely carry and seem to annoy the TSA.
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Just had cause to fly between MAN & AMS. Remember my opening post; but that was between 2 Schengen countries, this was not. From AMS they did not use 'boarding card only automatic gate' check: it was a ground staff passport check & scan of boarding card. Entering UK it was a Border Agency passport scan on arrival, manual or automatic.
Departing UK the only check was a boarding pass scan to enter security and then into AMS was an immigration passport check, manual or automatic.
Thus it seems the only passport check is on arrival not departure, even between non-Schengen countries; so how can the movement of 'wanted' people be tracked if there is no departure check? I know guys have said in the previous posts that other transport systems don't check, but that is only inside Schengen; this was at the outside borders. It would suggest that Schengen is interested only in entry and not departure. Curious.
I'm not a big brother bloke, quite the opposite, but it seems inconsistent with what governments are saying on the security front.
Departing UK the only check was a boarding pass scan to enter security and then into AMS was an immigration passport check, manual or automatic.
Thus it seems the only passport check is on arrival not departure, even between non-Schengen countries; so how can the movement of 'wanted' people be tracked if there is no departure check? I know guys have said in the previous posts that other transport systems don't check, but that is only inside Schengen; this was at the outside borders. It would suggest that Schengen is interested only in entry and not departure. Curious.
I'm not a big brother bloke, quite the opposite, but it seems inconsistent with what governments are saying on the security front.
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Are you sure you didn't go through passport control departing AMS? With a non-schengen destination that doesn't sound likely. All departures from CH to non-schengen countries have passport control before the gate.
I don't think the UK has had passport control on departure for some decades (regardless of destination). Only the airline, and perhaps security (but I don't think so), would check your ID for a flight departing the UK.
I don't think the UK has had passport control on departure for some decades (regardless of destination). Only the airline, and perhaps security (but I don't think so), would check your ID for a flight departing the UK.