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Old 10th Mar 2012, 10:06   #1 (permalink)
 
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Passenger Headsets

I am looking for good options for intercom headsets that need not have microphones.

There are no aviation specific, micless headsets that I can find on Google, so I thought some good options could be getting noise insulating, standard JBHIFI style headsets and a stereo to mono adapter.

Does anybody know what the jack dimensions are on aviation headsets and whether they are exclusive to aircraft or not?

Or have any better suggestions?

Thanks
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Old 10th Mar 2012, 10:31   #2 (permalink)
 
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Wouldn't having a microphone be useful for in cockpit communications? Id hate to have to yell at my passenger/instructor over the noise of the engine.
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Old 10th Mar 2012, 10:40   #3 (permalink)
 
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David Clark Company Model 10S/DC

Most headset companies make them buddy. Google is your friend.

P.S They are ideal, you don't want them asking too many questions, you just want them to listen

Cadetkid, stick to your cadetship son
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Old 10th Mar 2012, 10:52   #4 (permalink)
 
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Thanks GG.

Yeah I couldn't find them by typing in 'aviation headset no mic' or 'passenger headset'

Now I have a model number I can start price searching
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Old 10th Mar 2012, 11:30   #5 (permalink)
 
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You can get a 3.5mm mini jack (standard headset) adaptor to 1/4" comms jack
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Old 10th Mar 2012, 12:54   #6 (permalink)
 
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Green goblin, I'm not actually doing a cadetship I just made this account when I used to be an air force cadet, however, I was just asking a legitimate question.

What's the use of taking a passenger if your not going to talk to them the entire flight (assuming it's a private operation, if it's commercial why should you have to supply the passenger with one from your own money)? Where's the enjoyment in that?

Thank you for your rather rude and abrupt reply though.
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Old 10th Mar 2012, 13:22   #7 (permalink)
 
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Because son, when operating commercial operations you may at times be required to give a commentary (or emergency brief) to your passengers.

You do not want them having the ability to easily communicate with you at times when you're trying to fly the aeroplane (or talk with each other for that matter via intercom distracting you).

Yes if you were just taking a friend for a jolly and they were in the right seat you would want them to have a mic.

This question and application will not be for that purpose. Someone wanting these types of headsets will be utilizing it for the purposes I mentioned above. The company or operator will be paying.

Thinking clearly now can you imagine flying 7 excited passengers in a single operating scenic flights with boom mics on their headsets plugged into the intercom system and operating into a busy CTAF?

Hence my sentiments

Fortunately on more modern aeroplanes you can isolate the intercom.
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Old 10th Mar 2012, 13:36   #8 (permalink)
 
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Once again, if it's a commercial operation (which hasn't actually been stated as far as I can see) why would Damo be needing to buy these headsets for the passengers out of his own money? Unless he is the owner of the business in which case then you have a valid point, but if he is just a pilot then the company should be supplying all of the headsets for the passengers and the pilot shouldn't have to worry about buying them?

I do not disagree with you about the 7 excited pax situation however, I could completely understand that, though my posts were referring to a private op.

All of this doesn't matter however because the original post wasn't intended to cause a discussion on the validity of different types of headsets in different operations. I merely posed my question as it wasn't stated it as for a commercial purpose and therefore my question would have been a valid one, if it were a private op situation.

Sorry Damo, I never intended to side track the thread like this.
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Old 10th Mar 2012, 13:43   #9 (permalink)
 
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It's not Private Pilots Rumour Network. (Although sometimes I wonder).

Therefore, one would assume this was regarding a professional operation and the said poster was acting on behalf or was the employer?

Asking for advice on such equipment (when considering most machines in the charter game have them for passengers), one would assume this was regarding a professional operation and the said poster was acting on behalf or was the employer?

If it were for a private operation one could also assume it would be posted in the private pilot forum?

It would not be for a private operation for the reasons you mentioned (unless the bloke wants some peace from the mrs and kids)
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Old 10th Mar 2012, 13:50   #10 (permalink)
 
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Really could be anybody could it not? A student is not a professional pilot, and a student could be anybody ranging from a fresh ab initio through to a pilot just about to complete a cpl.

In regards to the private flying forum, considering he was asking about where to buy, and mentioned buying from jb hifi would show that he is potentially looking to buy local and not online, in which case it would be more appropriate in the country specific forum rather then the private flying forum in which anybody from anywhere could reply to the thread.
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Old 10th Mar 2012, 13:56   #11 (permalink)
 
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It's a place for students to speak to professional pilots about issues in this patch of turf.

Straws springs to mind
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Old 10th Mar 2012, 14:00   #12 (permalink)
 
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I'm not sure I understand the straws reference?

I am still a student and I was asking a professional pilot a question in my first post based on the information provided and the way I perceived it. I'm sorry if that was an issue?
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Old 10th Mar 2012, 14:20   #13 (permalink)
 
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Yeah we have headsets in the planes with no mics and one way communication is all that is needed, so I can tell my passengers what they are looking at and whats up if the shit hits the fan, but they are going bad and I told my CFI I would do some research as to what to replace them with.

Sometimes when they are right behind you they tap you and ask questions about really prominent features that I am very obviously going to talk about anyway, plus talking during radio communication would become quite an issue.

In the pax compartment of the 207 there are only headphone jacks anyway, so the majority of intercom systems in larger aircraft, id imagine, are probably all one way.
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Old 10th Mar 2012, 18:20   #14 (permalink)
 
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A Panther Navajo I manage has a nice intercom system: I can isolate myself while everyone else chatters away, myself + copilot leaving the pax to chatter, or have everyone combined. Even better, there are two audio input jacks. One in the cockpit, and one for the pax. When I isolate pilot or crew we can have our own music. The audio input mutes for any radio or intercom sound.

If I have chatty pax I tell them that when I'm busy they can expect me to cut them out of my intercom loop.
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Old 10th Mar 2012, 21:43   #15 (permalink)
 
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Cadetkid,

I thought your input was valid.

Don't worry about old mate's carry on. I read some of his other posts there is a trend of him posting harsh belittling comments to the younger lads.

Another elitist airline pilot who thinks his doesn't stink because he can sit at FL nosebleed wishing he could remember what it was like to touch the flight controls...

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Professional Pilot - but not a wit about it....
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Old 11th Mar 2012, 04:19   #16 (permalink)
 
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Looks like we have a Mexican stand off on our hands

Tinstaafl Well said Not too sure if all G1000's are same in respect to the intercom system but i remember flying an aircraft which allowed me to isolate the Mic from the pax too just the pilot!

PK777-300.
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Old 11th Mar 2012, 04:46   #17 (permalink)
 
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Yeah we have headsets in the planes with no mics and one way communication is all that is needed, so I can tell my passengers what they are looking at and whats up if the shit hits the fan, but they are going bad and I told my CFI I would do some research as to what to replace them with.

Sometimes when they are right behind you they tap you and ask questions about really prominent features that I am very obviously going to talk about anyway, plus talking during radio communication would become quite an issue.

In the pax compartment of the 207 there are only headphone jacks anyway, so the majority of intercom systems in larger aircraft, id imagine, are probably all one way.
And there it is cadetkid. My intuition was correct.

The straws comment was in reference to 'clutching at straws'.

In the weeds, how can you tell when a helicopter pilot is in the room? You can't, they tell you

Take a look in the mirror and try not to give yourself the thumbs up hey

My history on here is one of helping the younger fellas, however, having done it the hard way I can sniff bullshit a mile away.

It's up to the individual if they want to listen and learn. I'm happy to impart knowledge to those who seek. I'm also very happy to admit when I'm wrong and learn as I progress in my career.

I have learnt much on this board since the start of the last decade.
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Old 11th Mar 2012, 05:15   #18 (permalink)
 
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Fair enough, you were correct, however, as I have said a few times now, at the time of the original post that information was not presented, so my question was a fair one. Now it has been pointed out he is acting on behalf of his CFI, I can see where my original post was wrong, and I have no issue in admitting that.

It's always up to an individual to listen and learn, I agree, however with your frankly rather rude attitude that comes across in your posts, I'm surprised any young person would listen to you in the first place Had you politely pointed out the error in my first post (which I can happily admit i was wrong about, I never said I wasn't), rather than being a about it, we wouldn't have an issue. Had you said, "this is most likely to be a commercial question cadet kid, in which passengers in the back won't need a mic, however if it were a private operation it would be beneficial to have that mic there" straight up, then there wouldn't have been a debate. However you came right out of the gates with an insult, and have carried that attitude in every post, which is not only rude and condescending, but it shows how little you think of others that aren't at your level of experience.

By all means help the young fellas as you put it, but think about the way you are going to talk to them first.....
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Old 11th Mar 2012, 05:28   #19 (permalink)
 
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I apologize for bruising your fragile ego. Get used to it in this industry, else you won't last ten minutes.

I thought you would have seen common sense after my second post.

The poster never mentioned paying for it himself, he never mentioned it was for a private operation and frankly I thought it was ludicrous that you even tried to argue the point when presented with obvious facts.

This is not high school and he said she said. It's the real world buddy where you need to think on your feet.

I also find it absurd that I am wasting my time discussing this further.

Happy days.

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Old 11th Mar 2012, 05:29   #20 (permalink)
 
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I vote 1, Green Goblin.

Cadetkid, go away. It's dribble that people like you post, that annoys the crap out of me.

Answer the mans question, rather than asking why he (when you don't even know who he is) is purchasing them and why you would want them.

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