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Di Vosh I reakon your on the money, funny thread by the way.
I know that if I had time spare I would always make my way to the hangar and find something to do be it Washing, Polishing, Degreasing you name it.
I didnt do it to brown nose I did it because I was proud to hop into that plane with Pax/Students.
By the way the new generation of pilots nowadays wouildn't even know were the dip stick is, they get everytihng done for them, which is a bit sad, I learned heaps from hanging around a hangar.
Final note j3piper get a grip on life it's OK everynow and again showning a bit of initiative and maybe getting rewarded for it.
Cheers,
Rwy 01
I know that if I had time spare I would always make my way to the hangar and find something to do be it Washing, Polishing, Degreasing you name it.
I didnt do it to brown nose I did it because I was proud to hop into that plane with Pax/Students.
By the way the new generation of pilots nowadays wouildn't even know were the dip stick is, they get everytihng done for them, which is a bit sad, I learned heaps from hanging around a hangar.
Final note j3piper get a grip on life it's OK everynow and again showning a bit of initiative and maybe getting rewarded for it.
Cheers,
Rwy 01
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Reputable GA operators would also like to have pilots with 500+ multi time to fly their twins. It's safer that way. (see the thread "one big oversight leads to....) They will not suffer if there are no low time newbies available. They will be better, and safer. And without the city based flying schools setting up psuedo charter compnaies in the out back to sell training and ICUS the wages will increase again to a reasonable level, as they used to be.
The major airlines need crews with multi crew skills, not Psuedo ICUS on single pilot Navajo's.
There are real men who are happy to fly outback charter as a career when the prostitution stops and they can get real wages again.
Reputable GA operators would also like to have pilots with 500+ multi time to fly their twins. It's safer that way. (see the thread "one big oversight leads to....) They will not suffer if there are no low time newbies available. They will be better, and safer. And without the city based flying schools setting up psuedo charter compnaies in the out back to sell training and ICUS the wages will increase again to a reasonable level, as they used to be.
The major airlines need crews with multi crew skills, not Psuedo ICUS on single pilot Navajo's.
There are real men who are happy to fly outback charter as a career when the prostitution stops and they can get real wages again.
Rwy01,
By the sounds of things you were polishing a few things that belong to the boss.....
NO you NEVER did it to brown nose, noooo you wouldn't do that right??
I never have had a problem if asked to wash an aeroplane, as said earlier, it shows pride in what you do. The car is asking too much.
But you're wrong about one thing, I do know where the dipstick is. The dipstick is on RWY01 in Melbourne.
j3
P.S. AWARD WAGES. Just for you Green Gobin.
By the sounds of things you were polishing a few things that belong to the boss.....
NO you NEVER did it to brown nose, noooo you wouldn't do that right??
I never have had a problem if asked to wash an aeroplane, as said earlier, it shows pride in what you do. The car is asking too much.
But you're wrong about one thing, I do know where the dipstick is. The dipstick is on RWY01 in Melbourne.
j3
P.S. AWARD WAGES. Just for you Green Gobin.
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There are real men who are happy to fly outback charter as a career when the prostitution stops and they can get real wages again.
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Towering Q,
"From my experience a good GA operator will keep a pilot for 1 - 2 years, sometimes longer, before they are ready to take the next step. The pilot moves on with fond memories (hopefully) of their time at the company and the company has had 1 - 2 years of good service."
Well said mate, thats how it should be, im a young pilot with great aspirations in wanting to fo GA and fly planes ANYWHERE.... CANNOT wait!!
"From my experience a good GA operator will keep a pilot for 1 - 2 years, sometimes longer, before they are ready to take the next step. The pilot moves on with fond memories (hopefully) of their time at the company and the company has had 1 - 2 years of good service."
Well said mate, thats how it should be, im a young pilot with great aspirations in wanting to fo GA and fly planes ANYWHERE.... CANNOT wait!!
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Bushy, I agree with what you are saying.
However, the pilots with 500 plus twin time that the 'reputable GA operators' would like to keep aren't paid any more than the new start with the fresh endorsement, under the award at least, (just for you Green Goblin).
Where's the incentive to stay? It comes back to what you finished off with....
1224, although there hasn't been much said about the original topic, maybe it's a case of "no news is good news".
However, the pilots with 500 plus twin time that the 'reputable GA operators' would like to keep aren't paid any more than the new start with the fresh endorsement, under the award at least, (just for you Green Goblin).
Where's the incentive to stay? It comes back to what you finished off with....
when the prostitution stops and they can get real wages again
However, the pilots with 500 plus twin time that the 'reputable GA operators' would like to keep aren't paid any more than the new start with the fresh endorsement, under the award at least, (just for you Green Goblin).
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Sorry to take this back to the original thread topic
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but if you did go to shine with around 1000 hrs, mostly all single engine charter, how long could you expect to wait before going onto the twins without stepping on any toes?
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...but if you did go to shine with around 1000 hrs, mostly all single engine charter, how long could you expect to wait before going onto the twins without stepping on any toes?
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shine won't put you on unless you have MECIR and an instructor rating (preferably G II). You'll be on a Navajo to start with then Baron etc. The guys you'll work with are mostly great crew, the flying is good. Sounds great? Uh uh. You'll be lucky to get 10hours multi a week, as many instructing in a crappy 150 and deal with an ashole boss that's on your back every minute.
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I used to work there and found it the best GA company I have worked for.
If you moan and expect everything handed to you without actually showing what your made of then don't expect to be rewarded with hours! If you get in and do the job then the hours will come.
I found JG nothing but a gentleman, you always knew where you stood, he didn't expect you to do anything that you were not comfortable with and if you put the work in you got the hours in return. Unlike most GA companies he pays for renewals, endorsements and your wage is increased as you become more experienced and useful to the operation.
I had 500 multi in about 8 months and did interesting and varied work. Can't complain one bit!
If you moan and expect everything handed to you without actually showing what your made of then don't expect to be rewarded with hours! If you get in and do the job then the hours will come.
I found JG nothing but a gentleman, you always knew where you stood, he didn't expect you to do anything that you were not comfortable with and if you put the work in you got the hours in return. Unlike most GA companies he pays for renewals, endorsements and your wage is increased as you become more experienced and useful to the operation.
I had 500 multi in about 8 months and did interesting and varied work. Can't complain one bit!
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I would have removed my post if I were you to Wendy.
If a CP ever asks me to wash their car, I will tell them to go get ****ed.
Shame on you Wendy, shame shame shame.
If a CP ever asks me to wash their car, I will tell them to go get ****ed.
Shame on you Wendy, shame shame shame.
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I think this thread indicates some of the complaints against gen Y!
Back in the deep past I was working for a flying school [being paid the award - full-time] I flew, refueled, cleaned spark plugs, helped in hangar on 100 hourlys, mowed the lawn around flying school, did all sorts of paperwork, washed planes, [can't remember being asked to wash car, but could have happened!]etc, etc. "The job" was full-time so I worked for my employer for that time.
Have you checked out the award rate for a car washer?
Back in the deep past I was working for a flying school [being paid the award - full-time] I flew, refueled, cleaned spark plugs, helped in hangar on 100 hourlys, mowed the lawn around flying school, did all sorts of paperwork, washed planes, [can't remember being asked to wash car, but could have happened!]etc, etc. "The job" was full-time so I worked for my employer for that time.
Have you checked out the award rate for a car washer?
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"The job" was full-time so I worked for my employer for that time.
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Draw the line where you feel you need to!
In my time in GA I sometimes decided not to do things, the point is to be flexible and reasonable! [from employer as well]
Of course at your next job interview will you state " if you ask me to wash a car in the course of my employment I will tell you to f%^ o** " !?
In my time in GA I sometimes decided not to do things, the point is to be flexible and reasonable! [from employer as well]
Of course at your next job interview will you state " if you ask me to wash a car in the course of my employment I will tell you to f%^ o** " !?