Are there many entry level pilot jobs out there?
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Are there many entry level pilot jobs out there?
Hi everyone,I am about to start training for my CPL at Paraparaumu later in the year, however im still not too sure about employment after becoming qualified.
Are there many jobs out there in New Zealand or Australia for pilots with just 250 hours with a CPL and a Multi engine rating or would I need an instructors rating to get my initial hours up. I would prefer to just get my CPL + MIR and get my first job either flying freight, glider towing, scenic tours etc etc rather spending an extra 20k for the Instructor Rating.
Also how many hours would you need before you would be recruited by Eagle Air flying the B1900d a/c? Would the employer even consider you if you were a previous "C" cat instructor with just C152 time and a MIR?
One other big question is the Kapiti Aero Club course has changed from a Diploma in Aviation to a Certificate in Aviation. How do new graduates compete against people with a "Degree" in Aviation (massey) for entry level pilot jobs? Would someone with a degree have a big advantage over people with a Diploma/Cert?
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Hey mr.airline,
I'm not to sure about the N.Z aviation industry, but here in Aus you would consider yourself very lucky to walk into a twin job straight out of training.
In terms of job prospects for G.A a degree will mean
all. It is your flying ability, not a fancy bit of paper. The only advantage in having a degree would be later on in your career when you start applying for airlines. I think Air N.Z for some reason like guys who attended university. Again it goes on a whole bunch of aspects not just if you attended university.
I hope that helps and good luck in your future flying endeavors.
I'm not to sure about the N.Z aviation industry, but here in Aus you would consider yourself very lucky to walk into a twin job straight out of training.
In terms of job prospects for G.A a degree will mean
all. It is your flying ability, not a fancy bit of paper. The only advantage in having a degree would be later on in your career when you start applying for airlines. I think Air N.Z for some reason like guys who attended university. Again it goes on a whole bunch of aspects not just if you attended university.I hope that helps and good luck in your future flying endeavors.
How do new graduates compete against people with a "Degree" in Aviation (massey) for entry level pilot jobs? Would someone with a degree have a big advantage over people with a Diploma/Cert?
Don't get to hung up on it. Most people only do the Degree/Diploma/Certificate to get access to student funding. If you have the means to fund the flying yourself go and do your CPL, MEIR C cat etc and don't bother with the other stuff.
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20K for an instructor rating?? Holy sh*t! Shop around mate! I think the prospects are good for pilots at the moment, a c cat isn't necessary IMHO though instructors are in demand at the moment. I know some outfits are having trouble attracting and retaining instructors at the moment.
Just keep your nose clean, and be persistent and you should be fine. Know of lots of people who gave up because it was "too hard" boo hoo
Just keep your nose clean, and be persistent and you should be fine. Know of lots of people who gave up because it was "too hard" boo hoo
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AS an expat who flew away many years ago i can,t comment on NZ.But the pilot shortage apparently?.
My advice is just don,t give up and follow your heart and your dreams.
Cheers M
My advice is just don,t give up and follow your heart and your dreams.
Cheers M
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Have a read of my previous thread.
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...ht=paraparaumu
seems they have reinvented the course to a Cert.
cert or diploma are just a means to student funding.
it's the licence that has the value.
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...ht=paraparaumu
seems they have reinvented the course to a Cert.
cert or diploma are just a means to student funding.
it's the licence that has the value.
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Hey Mr.Airline,
Checkout www.afap.org.au
Under jobs section, you'll be amazed how you can get a job with 250hrs flying GA..I started out recently as well..ofcourse you have stay in remote for about 6 months flying C210 or C206s but once you've done your time, they'll ask you back to civilisation and move up to Caravan or twins engines..We have lots of NZ'der pilots here now flying in outback and NZ licence don't need conversion to CASA, just some paper works..The best way is come up to Northern Territory, go to Darwin and visit every operators...All the fresh pilots come for pilgrimage every end of dry seasons or wet seasons. Let me know if you wish to know all the operators in NT.
Good luck!
Checkout www.afap.org.au
Under jobs section, you'll be amazed how you can get a job with 250hrs flying GA..I started out recently as well..ofcourse you have stay in remote for about 6 months flying C210 or C206s but once you've done your time, they'll ask you back to civilisation and move up to Caravan or twins engines..We have lots of NZ'der pilots here now flying in outback and NZ licence don't need conversion to CASA, just some paper works..The best way is come up to Northern Territory, go to Darwin and visit every operators...All the fresh pilots come for pilgrimage every end of dry seasons or wet seasons. Let me know if you wish to know all the operators in NT.
Good luck!
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My advice would be forget the instrument rating until you have AT LEAST 700 hours total time.
Do the C cat instead (not the 20 thousand dollar one though!).... even if you never actually end up instructing, the course itself will hone your basic skills and knowledge as well as open up a few more job opportunities.
Leave the instrument rating until you have the hours to start hunting for twin jobs. (in NZ 750hrs minimum for part 135 air transport).
Do the C cat instead (not the 20 thousand dollar one though!).... even if you never actually end up instructing, the course itself will hone your basic skills and knowledge as well as open up a few more job opportunities.
Leave the instrument rating until you have the hours to start hunting for twin jobs. (in NZ 750hrs minimum for part 135 air transport).
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P.S in my opinion forget the shiny diploma and degree courses, no entry level GA operators will care about that stuff. They just want safe competent pilots that can actually FLY!
If you want to do a degree, do it in something other than aviation (say engineering or something) later on I reckon.
If you want to do a degree, do it in something other than aviation (say engineering or something) later on I reckon.
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Don't worry about the diploma or certificate, they are worthless!
Watch out for the loose units flying out of the other side of PP. If you do a C-Cat there is a real big international airline looking to start an academy up the road who might need to get some staff..money no object for them, especially in Kiwi pesos so you might be able to get work and still live at home with Mum and Pop (you won't miss home cooking til its gone!!)
Watch out for the loose units flying out of the other side of PP. If you do a C-Cat there is a real big international airline looking to start an academy up the road who might need to get some staff..money no object for them, especially in Kiwi pesos so you might be able to get work and still live at home with Mum and Pop
(you won't miss home cooking til its gone!!)
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Haven't heard of people headin that way for a while now.
But with that said I knew a guy that headed over there about a year ago with 500 odd hours, and he's still there so it must be good!
But with that said I knew a guy that headed over there about a year ago with 500 odd hours, and he's still there so it must be good!
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Yep, a few kiwi's still heading over to Maun... myself included.
Prospects in southern africa are good - If you're not a complete d*ck you'll get a job there with 250hrs easy. It took me 6 days to get a job in Maun. Namibia and Zambia are also real possibilities - you can even walk into an Islander/Baron with 250hrs in Lusaka!
The job market has changed in Maun in recent years - no longer 30 pilots waiting for a job - in fact for the first half of this year there were no more than 4 at any one time.
PM me if you want more info.
Prospects in southern africa are good - If you're not a complete d*ck you'll get a job there with 250hrs easy. It took me 6 days to get a job in Maun. Namibia and Zambia are also real possibilities - you can even walk into an Islander/Baron with 250hrs in Lusaka!
The job market has changed in Maun in recent years - no longer 30 pilots waiting for a job - in fact for the first half of this year there were no more than 4 at any one time.
PM me if you want more info.
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Hey Mr.Airline,
Checkout www.afap.org.au
Under jobs section, you'll be amazed how you can get a job with 250hrs flying GA..I started out recently as well..ofcourse you have stay in remote for about 6 months flying C210 or C206s but once you've done your time, they'll ask you back to civilisation and move up to Caravan or twins engines..We have lots of NZ'der pilots here now flying in outback and NZ licence don't need conversion to CASA, just some paper works..The best way is come up to Northern Territory, go to Darwin and visit every operators...All the fresh pilots come for pilgrimage every end of dry seasons or wet seasons. Let me know if you wish to know all the operators in NT.
Good luck!
Checkout www.afap.org.au
Under jobs section, you'll be amazed how you can get a job with 250hrs flying GA..I started out recently as well..ofcourse you have stay in remote for about 6 months flying C210 or C206s but once you've done your time, they'll ask you back to civilisation and move up to Caravan or twins engines..We have lots of NZ'der pilots here now flying in outback and NZ licence don't need conversion to CASA, just some paper works..The best way is come up to Northern Territory, go to Darwin and visit every operators...All the fresh pilots come for pilgrimage every end of dry seasons or wet seasons. Let me know if you wish to know all the operators in NT.
Good luck!
