ANSETT....what made it a GREAT airline?
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In answer to the question that started this post.
Well you did'nt have to pay for your endorsement for starters!!
Cheers, HH.
Well you did'nt have to pay for your endorsement for starters!!
Cheers, HH.
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Great airline Kap - the people made her, and I happily say that despite AN being the dreaded foe for most of my airline career.
As soon as reg lost control, Ansett was lost. Sripped - restructured and thoroughly raped.
With the right ownership the world would be a nicer place today.
Hindsight is 20/20 though.
best
EWL
As soon as reg lost control, Ansett was lost. Sripped - restructured and thoroughly raped.
With the right ownership the world would be a nicer place today.
Hindsight is 20/20 though.
best
EWL
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Right on, EWL, it was the people and, had we had a management structure imbued with the same ethos as the rest of the staff, then AN would still be flying. It's a very simple equation, good management + committed staff = happy customers.
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TheNightOwl.
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TheNightOwl.
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TNO committed staff ?????? 
That is what you have always failed to acknowledge of those of us that chose to walk.
We were committed to that GREAT AIRLINE but got well and truly shafted by management over a number of years. Those of us with SPINE didn't look over our shoulder, the avarice group with "jelly fish spines" grovelled back to be onhand for the "coupe de grace"
TNO accept the fact it was st
ffed the day "The Fat Man" got control.
That is what you have always failed to acknowledge of those of us that chose to walk.
We were committed to that GREAT AIRLINE but got well and truly shafted by management over a number of years. Those of us with SPINE didn't look over our shoulder, the avarice group with "jelly fish spines" grovelled back to be onhand for the "coupe de grace"
TNO accept the fact it was st
ffed the day "The Fat Man" got control.
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Up until deregulation it was simply no contest, but when TAA/Australian was let off the leash so to speak, we all won. 
And didn't AN have to scramble then.
Aussie pax never had it soooo good, before, or since, and then........... 
And didn't AN have to scramble then.
Aussie pax never had it soooo good, before, or since, and then...........
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FQ2 - when I referred to "committed Staff", I was referring to those who were committed to the airline's success and, by extension, our own careers. What I was NOT referring to was commitment to their own, selfish ends at the expense of all others.
If you care to take the time to read, AND UNDERSTAND, my previous posts, you would have grasped that I hold "The Fat Man" and his cohorts in very low esteem, they were a bunch of greedy, self-serving b*****ds, and I wonder to which other group of AN employees could that description have been applied? Ring any bells, FQ2?? Of course we were committed, how the hell else could we have kept the company going for so long despite the predations of management and others?
By all means berate me for my beliefs of the rights and wrongs of the '89 dispute, but at least get correct what I have stood for all this time, whether you agree with me or not!
Should anyone else wish to have a go at me, feel free, just don't expect me to respond any further. Like the '89ers, my position was made a long, long time ago, and remains to this day. I have heard NO argument to convince me that I have been on the wrong side of the fence since then, nor do I expect to in the future. Feel secure in your self-righteous maintenance of the moral high ground, FQ2, as the years go by you'll be increasingly lonely for the new generation doesn't understand, and cares less, about '89. Christ, some of them were still in short pants at school then. Waken up, man, and get over it!!
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TheNightOwl.
If you care to take the time to read, AND UNDERSTAND, my previous posts, you would have grasped that I hold "The Fat Man" and his cohorts in very low esteem, they were a bunch of greedy, self-serving b*****ds, and I wonder to which other group of AN employees could that description have been applied? Ring any bells, FQ2?? Of course we were committed, how the hell else could we have kept the company going for so long despite the predations of management and others?
By all means berate me for my beliefs of the rights and wrongs of the '89 dispute, but at least get correct what I have stood for all this time, whether you agree with me or not!
Should anyone else wish to have a go at me, feel free, just don't expect me to respond any further. Like the '89ers, my position was made a long, long time ago, and remains to this day. I have heard NO argument to convince me that I have been on the wrong side of the fence since then, nor do I expect to in the future. Feel secure in your self-righteous maintenance of the moral high ground, FQ2, as the years go by you'll be increasingly lonely for the new generation doesn't understand, and cares less, about '89. Christ, some of them were still in short pants at school then. Waken up, man, and get over it!!
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TheNightOwl.
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AIRWAY Let's just say that next time I meet you I will attempt to explain, the Bitterness, the Pain, the Hatred, The Division, The Employee against employees, The Scabs, the Emigration, Pitting Pilot agains Pilot, The family break ups, the Loss of Employment, The terrible attitude of the Government of the day, etc etc etc etc. I could go on for a week and NEVER even come close to explaining it all. Needless to say AIRWAY, you asked an innocent question that can NEVER be answered to you properly. No doubt ex '89 ers will be able to come up with more, but what would be the point.? After 15 years what needed to be said has already been said.
Worked for AN for 23 years with time on the DC3, DC4, Viscounts 747 and 832, DC9 etc etc plus all the characters incl Capt Zero and the Kmart kid.
First and best airline I worked for. The four since then are in a different league.
First and best airline I worked for. The four since then are in a different league.
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I've read a few examples of mutual backslapping on pprune over the years, but this may just take the cake. 
If Ansett were truly great, I imagine it would be Australia's #1 airline right now, wouldn't it?
If Ansett were truly great, I imagine it would be Australia's #1 airline right now, wouldn't it?
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That's a bit unfair, so were Pan Am, TWA, Braniff, Swissair and so on "GREAT" air lines as were Shaw Savill, White Star and so on "Great" shipping lines?
That's a bit unfair, so were Pan Am, TWA, Braniff, Swissair and so on "GREAT" air lines as were Shaw Savill, White Star and so on "Great" shipping lines?
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The Owl comes across as one very sick, bitter and twisted individual...anybody else get those vibes like I do?
Methinks he's the one who should "let it go" and move on.
You'll make yourself ill, Mate!
Methinks he's the one who should "let it go" and move on.
You'll make yourself ill, Mate!
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Mmmm. Perhaps it was a bit harsh. IMHO, Ansett was a 'good' airline, when it was managed decently (and that was arguably a long time ago), but 'great'? Depends on which ex-Ansett employees you talk to!
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" If you care to take the time to read, AND UNDERSTAND, my previous posts, you would have grasped that I hold "The Fat Man" and his cohorts in very low esteem, they were a bunch of greedy, self-serving b*****ds, and I wonder to which other group of AN employees could that description have been applied? Ring any bells, FQ2??"
Good to see that the idiot owl has finally seen the light of day and recognised his Sc*bby mates for what they really were!
So now, owl, why don't you trot off back to your model airplanes and leave the pro pilots stuff to the pro pilots. You're out of your league here! Find another web site!
Best regards.
amos2
Good to see that the idiot owl has finally seen the light of day and recognised his Sc*bby mates for what they really were!
So now, owl, why don't you trot off back to your model airplanes and leave the pro pilots stuff to the pro pilots. You're out of your league here! Find another web site!
Best regards.
amos2
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DutchRoll.
I'd be interested to know if you've ever felt pride in the company, any company, you've worked for?
I guess in this era of cheapest bidder gets the job, it would be hard to have much respect for your company & superiors. If you can't relate to the pride & fond memories that some of my former colleagues at AN feel, then I truly feel sorry for you. I don't intend that to be patronising, I just mean that it's sad that you may not have experienced a job where one of the best parts of it was that they payed you to be there!
Aside from the 89ers, there are, naturally, always cases where the experience isn't the same for everyone. AN slowly degraded from what it once was through the ministrations of a fat pig and some Yank I would imagine that most of the bad experiences would have come from that era. I went from school to Ansett & knew no other employer until 2001, suffice to say that Ansett was good for me.
Lets hope you have an experience with a company that you can look back on in your later years and think "Gee, they were good times!"
I'd be interested to know if you've ever felt pride in the company, any company, you've worked for?
I guess in this era of cheapest bidder gets the job, it would be hard to have much respect for your company & superiors. If you can't relate to the pride & fond memories that some of my former colleagues at AN feel, then I truly feel sorry for you. I don't intend that to be patronising, I just mean that it's sad that you may not have experienced a job where one of the best parts of it was that they payed you to be there!
Aside from the 89ers, there are, naturally, always cases where the experience isn't the same for everyone. AN slowly degraded from what it once was through the ministrations of a fat pig and some Yank
I would imagine that most of the bad experiences would have come from that era. I went from school to Ansett & knew no other employer until 2001, suffice to say that Ansett was good for me.Lets hope you have an experience with a company that you can look back on in your later years and think "Gee, they were good times!"
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Dutch; IMHO you're way out of line and also I think that Buster's last post said it best.
For the record I was never an employee of Ansett in any way, shape or form. I only ever flew with Ansett as a full fare paying pax and always enjoyed the flight, even if several were the on the 'drunks flight' out of Darwin which departed at midnight!
And I can remember a memorable one of those, sitting right down the back for an hour or so with some of Sir Reggie's 'old broilers'. And great Girls they were too!
You only live twice. Once when
you're born. Once when
you've looked death in the face.
For the record I was never an employee of Ansett in any way, shape or form. I only ever flew with Ansett as a full fare paying pax and always enjoyed the flight, even if several were the on the 'drunks flight' out of Darwin which departed at midnight!
And I can remember a memorable one of those, sitting right down the back for an hour or so with some of Sir Reggie's 'old broilers'. And great Girls they were too!
You only live twice. Once when
you're born. Once when
you've looked death in the face.
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IMHO Ansett to the time of its inevitable demise wasthe best of the best, and this is from a TAA brat brought up at MEB under the tail of a TN DC4.
They had their faults, but frontline were a totally committed workforce with no chip on the shoulder.
I miss them.
I miss the sparring and tilting at windmills at DPO airport in my EW days. I miss the support given when your aeroplane shat itself, or their need for a battery cart to start their F27 when theirs died.
I do NOT miss Sir Peter Pussbag Abeles. May he rot in hell. He and Murdoch killed Ansett by totally stripping it and in conjunction with the Siver Bodgie destroyed East West. May the problems that are now besieging the lovely Hazel Hawke be transfered to Bob and multiplied by 20.
I am not vengeful - hang on - YES I AM!!!!
best all
EWL
Ron
They had their faults, but frontline were a totally committed workforce with no chip on the shoulder.
I miss them.
I miss the sparring and tilting at windmills at DPO airport in my EW days. I miss the support given when your aeroplane shat itself, or their need for a battery cart to start their F27 when theirs died.
I do NOT miss Sir Peter Pussbag Abeles. May he rot in hell. He and Murdoch killed Ansett by totally stripping it and in conjunction with the Siver Bodgie destroyed East West. May the problems that are now besieging the lovely Hazel Hawke be transfered to Bob and multiplied by 20.
I am not vengeful - hang on - YES I AM!!!!
best all
EWL
Ron