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Old 31st Mar 2004, 14:58
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Question Two crew >9 Pax? Reference.

Can anyone help with the exact reference in the CAR /CAO’s that state an aircraft regardless of weight must be crewed by two pilots for ops with nine pax or more.

Just cant find it.
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got an idea ring 131757 and ask a friendly FOI..
they might be 2 busy to answer you tho..
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Bit hard mate, I’m in Africa and nowhere near an international phone line.....
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CAO 82.3: CONDITIONS ON AIR OPERATORS’ CERTIFICATES AUTHORISING REGULAR PUBLIC TRANSP

8 OBLIGATIONS IN RELATION TO FLIGHT CREW

8.1 Subject to paragraph 8.2, each operator must provide the minimum flight crew specified in the aircraft flight manual, but must ensure that at least two pilots are used for the conduct of operations in:
(a) aeroplanes certificated under Appendix 1 of Part 101.4 of the Orders; and
(b) jet aeroplanes having a MTOW exceeding 3500 kg; and
(c) aircraft in which more than 9 passenger seats may be fitted.

8.2 In spite of paragraph 8.1, 2 pilots need not be used for an operation in an aircraft of the kind referred to in paragraph 8.1 if, but only if:
(a) the aircraft is certificated for single pilot operations; and
(b) the operator’s air operator’s certificate restricts the number of adult passengers that may be carried in the aircraft on the operation to 9 or fewer; and
(c) the operation is conducted in accordance with that restriction.
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Doesnt IFR have something to do with it?

I used to operate Twotters IFR if we had more than 9 pax had to be Multi Crew ops but we were alowed to operate Single Pilot VFR with up to 15 Pax Single Pilot.

I will search the regs for the reference. May have been a dispensation. I can recall Our Otters didnt have GPWS. We were Charter ops though.

I can recall a certain Operator in NSW getting a dispensation for no GPWS aswell, all be it more pax allowed. And Im certain of, they were RPT.

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Thanks marvelous, I totally forgot about this thread. Good work.

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