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Old 26th Apr 2006, 12:39   #1 (permalink)
 
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Question FAA ATP - post your questions here.

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I am a furloughed american ( not the airline ) pilot from a US major currently flying the 777 as an fo in the middle east. I have type ratings on my faa certificate on the 737/757/767. Can anyone tell me how i can add the 777 second in command type rating on my US certificate? I understand that the FAA has now required second in command ratings to be issued on licences to meet ICAO standards when flying internationally. Of course, since 9/11 i can't just go pay for a checkride

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Old 27th Apr 2006, 16:53   #2 (permalink)
 
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I just did this last week

You need a copy of your training records showing that you had a PC Check on the aircraft involved within the last 12 months. Signed or stamped by someone in the training dept.
Fill out a 8710 form and where you would normaly tick the box to add an additional rating tick the "other" box and write in SIC Type. Then submit them to a FSDO. They then issue you a temporary certificate with the SIC Type while you wait.
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Old 27th Apr 2006, 22:14   #3 (permalink)
 
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Thanks alot for the reply! I will get the necessary paperwork and when i go Stateside will submit it.
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Old 28th Apr 2006, 11:10   #4 (permalink)
 
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I called the FLL FSDO and spoke to an inspector on the phone before u replied with your email, he said that i would have to do a checkride to get it on my license, don't know if he really knew what he was talking about...which FSDO did u go to? please send me a PM or email.. I go back to MIA next 2 weeks so i want to get the necessary paperwork that i may need before then... thanks again

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Old 28th Apr 2006, 14:30   #5 (permalink)
 
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The FSDO is correct, in fact, they may even demand you take an approved ground school. But, there is no way to add the type rating without taking a check with the FAA.
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Old 28th Apr 2006, 21:21   #6 (permalink)
 
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poguemahone's response is encouraging and hope to hear more.

The fact of the matter is that most countries allow for the adding of a type rating earned on a licence of another ICAO state. The US FAA has always had a dim view on this . . . wonder why.

Up until recently, it was the only state that didn't type rate FO's.

Lets face it, the Type Rating, even if added via Form 8710 is harmless . . . since it will be useless without a PPC ride from the FAA. So I don't understand why the FAA takes this overly conservative stance since it does nothing to enhance safety.
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Old 28th Apr 2006, 21:43   #7 (permalink)
 
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Sic type per part 61

Triple 777:

Please refer to FAR 61.55(d) for the regulatory requirements for issuance of an "SIC type rating". Bottom line: If you have completed the required training, It's just a paperwork exersise. As stated previously, there is no practical exam for the SIC type. Your training records and a signed 8710 may be presented to a FSDO inspector. He should be able to issue a new temporary on the spot. This is the quickest and easiest way to go. FSDOs in the boonies may be less familiar with this procedure than those located in a major city. Here is a document published by the FAA which provides guidance to inspectors and examiners on the procedure for issuance of the SIC type rating.

This should be a simple exersise. Good luck.

Best regards,

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Old 29th Apr 2006, 03:42   #8 (permalink)
 
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Great stuff-- thanks westhawk!
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Old 29th Apr 2006, 08:54   #9 (permalink)
 
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Thanks Phil, Westhawk and Panama! I will keep u all posted when i go home in a week and tell you what they say. I am sure however that when i upgrade and get the PIC type i will have to do a ride, but I will ask them in person about this one... thanks for taking the time !
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Old 29th Apr 2006, 13:15   #10 (permalink)
 
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I may have misread your question.

I did my PC check here in the USA with a US Airline therefore there was only paperwork to fill out in order to get the SIC on my license.
While I was at the FSDO though I did ask about type ratings on a foreign license and if they can be transfered to a FAA License and I was told it could be done. The inspector said she would have to get out the book and look it up though to get the official answer
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Old 2nd May 2006, 05:50   #11 (permalink)
 
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Quote:
Originally Posted by poguemahone
I may have misread your question.
I did my PC check here in the USA with a US Airline therefore there was only paperwork to fill out in order to get the SIC on my license.
While I was at the FSDO though I did ask about type ratings on a foreign license and if they can be transfered to a FAA License and I was told it could be done. The inspector said she would have to get out the book and look it up though to get the official answer
I have been there in the past and was basiccally SOL. The SIC type is a paperwork issue and current training records (in english) should be all that is required.
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Old 12th May 2006, 00:45   #12 (permalink)
 
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All done ! Went to the FLL FSDO office today and got the 777 SIC put on my certificate... took my training records endorsed and the 8710 form signed by the head of training and voila ! Thanks for the input gentlemen, it helped me get prepared and bring the proper paperwork
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Old 12th May 2006, 11:39   #13 (permalink)
 
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Just to clarify....that's for a SIC endorsment only?
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Old 12th May 2006, 12:55   #14 (permalink)
 
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Went to the FLL FSDO office today and got the 777 SIC put on my certificate, period
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Old 12th May 2006, 13:50   #15 (permalink)
 
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B777 I'm in Dubai as well and had asked a FSDO in San Fran about transferring my endorsement for command (B777) but after lots of e mails he told me that it could only be done after a check ride. Do you have the details ( email) of the guys you dealt with and where were they?
When you say trg records are you talking your last PPC?
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Old 22nd May 2006, 01:04   #16 (permalink)
 
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Well, just tried getting an SIC type rating added at the Boston FSDO, unfortunately, unsuccessfully.

It seems that it is possible, but my application was shot down on several points-- no signature on the back of Form 8710 in the part of instructor recommendation (I guess I misread the guidance form). Also the inspector had issues with the authenticity of the signature (no title given as to who signed the endorsement), and whether the rubber stamp was added with the signature or whether it was always there on all records. Furthermore, I had handwritten the preamble endorsement in blue ink, and our chief training captain had signed it in black ink-- the inspector claimed I could have possibly added the endorsement after the signature (from whoever it was from) was already on the paper.

Oh well, I guess I´ll have to try again on the next trip to the US.

P.S. Yes Ernest, we are only talking about SIC Type Ratings-- for command ones you have to jump through the US checkride hoops.
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Old 22nd May 2006, 17:19   #17 (permalink)
 
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Hi everybody,
I'm an Italian citizen presently working in the Middle East on the A330 and I don't have a FAA license. I was told that to convert my ATPL into an FAA one I have first of all to submit the application to get the security clearence and next I would have to undergo a computerized exam and a Ckride. I know that the computerized test can also be done in London or Frankfurt. I was wandering if it is possible to undergo a single simu ckride on the A330 in the USA in order to cover the assessment requirements for the issue of both an FAA ATPL and a SIC A330 rating.
Anybody can tell me where I can get the relevant infos?
Thanks guys!
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Old 23rd May 2006, 19:49   #18 (permalink)
 
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Sorry I have taken so long to reply, I am still on vacation and have not checked the forum for about a week. Sorry Panama, I just got your pm.

Essentially i took a copy of my initial training records, ppcs ( including most recent ), filled out the 8710 which the Chief Flight Instructor Boeing signed, stamped. Then he had his secretary type up the endorsement statement on Company letterhead which he also stamped and signed. He also stamped and signed my training records. The FAA in Ft Lauderdale looked at everything ( i was inthe waiting room outside the offices) and gave me back the training records and typed up the temp certificate with the "B777 Sic Priveleges Only" endorsement on it and the B777 type on the top line. For the Sic to be removed at a later date when i upgrade i will have to take a checkride with the FAA or designated examiner. It was a pretty painless excercise but attention to detail and reading the form was important. In a previous post above someone had a link to the form and it had Q&A on it...one Q pertained to airline type endorsments, that was really helpful. If u have an questions let me know, will try to get back in a timely matter Richard Engler at the FLL FSDO did my paperwork and you can Google to get the number of the office...
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Old 23rd May 2006, 19:52   #19 (permalink)
 
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Ft. Lauderdale Flight Standards District Office (FSDO)

1050 Lee Wagener Blvd.
Suite 201

Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33315


Phone: (954) 635-1300 Fax: (954) 635-1260

Office Hours: 7:30 a.m. to 4:00 p.m., Pacific Time, Monday - Friday
Office Visits by appointment only
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Old 23rd May 2006, 19:54   #20 (permalink)
 
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that should be East Coast time
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