I will get a letter of verification for my ICAO Commercial Pilots license from Australia to the FAA. Once that is done, I can sit the FAA ATP medical, written exam and flight test.
Later I would hope to convert the FAA ATP to a Canadian one (Canada and the USA have a conversion agreement). However, on the Transport Canada website, it states:
*"(d) FAA pilot certificates issued on the basis of a foreign licence are not eligible for conversion to a TCCA pilot licence under these implementation procedures. TCCA pilot licences issued on the basis of a foreign licence are not eligible for conversion to an FAA pilot certificate under these Implementation Procedure"
What does "on the basis of a foreign licence" mean? Does it mean they would not recognize my license since the CPL has originated from a foreign country, or that this is only for foreign ATP - FAA ATP direct conversions????
You're using your Australian license to cover 61.153.(d) 3 so you'll have a stand alone FAA certificate and should be good to go for the Canadian conversion. What they're saying is if you got a FAA certificate based on a foreign license without the FAA written and flight test, Canada won't grant you a license.
Hi guys!!! I need to convert my ICAO ATPL into FAA ATPL, I'm Pic with 5000 on A320 on comand,tt 11000(737/767/340 as sic).Does anyone explain me the steps to convert into FAA?? I have read a lot of documentation but is still confuse. Validation form,get the theory exam,go to the sim,???any info will help me a lot! Thanks MAX GW
ICAO doesn't issue licenses, your local CAA/DGCA/FAA issues a licence that meets ICAO standards. The FAA ATP is an ICAO license just like a British CAA ATPL is.
The question is, do you want a FAA certificate based on your foreign license or a stand alone FAA certificate. The stand alone is straight forward, you've got the time so medical, written and checkride but unless you take the check in a 320 sim, no 320 type.
To get a FAA certificate based on your foreign license, check here:
Digging a bit further, to put a type rating on a FAA certificate, there needs to be a record of training and a sign off that training has been completed. You don't need that for just a MEL ATP. So you'd need to have some record of the training you've been through for the type on whatever license you have now. The reg doesn't say the training has to be from FAA certificated piklots or instructors.
I am considering doing the opposite: converting FAA Commercial & Instrument Ratings to CASA. I already qualify for residency in Australia, so I am only asking about the process of converting my licenses in AUS.
The CASA website seems to be lacking some information, regarding this process.
Does anyone know whether the process would be any more streamlined if I obtained my FAA ATP in the USA, prior to heading to Australia and converting my licenses?
Hi. I am Japanese. I did A320 type rating at Active Aerospase Canada. Unfortunatelly I do not hold Canadian Licence. Conversion from FAA to Canadian licence, it will long time to get actual licence. I hold CAA Malaysian Licence, I contact DCA, answer is No. I hold FAA commercial Licence, but not current. You mention SIC endorse is only paperwork. On my case, do I need require something. Please help.
To add the SIC rating on to a FAA certificate, you have to go to a FAA office in person and show them your training records and you have to have a 8710 form filled out and signed by your trainer. The requirements are found in FAR 61.55 (d). The training records have to be signed off in a certain way,
“[Applicant's Name and Pilot Certificate Number] has demonstrated the skill and knowledge required for the safe operation of the [Type of Aircraft], relevant to the duties and responsibilities of a second in command.”
I would call the training center and ask them if they have prepared paperwork for a FAA SIC type rating before, they should know what is needed if they have.
I think your crazy but here it is. 1. Get the FAA ATPL . One test covers all and its study and take in one day , Dead easy , no one fails. 2. Apply on the CASA Web site for a 213 conversion ( see forms) . FAA ATPL to CASA 3. CASA WILL ONLY ISSUE YOU A DAY VFR LICENSE FOR 3 MONTHS. they figure that long enough to get it done ( bullshit ) 4. You must pass an English level 6 test in Australia , not difficult just more cost and paperwork. The private VFR license can not be issued to you till you have this , ( get the picture yet ) 'yes" you have to come to Australia .. ALL ASL EXAMS ARE ON LINE BUT YOU MUST COME TO AUSTRALIA TO DO THEM. 5 Ok your issued the 213 VFR Day license for your A320 or what ever you fly. 'yea' like your going to fly around the patch VFR in an Airbus 6. Sign up through ASL Exam to take the CPL law ( more money ) If you fail you could be waiting for 2 weeks or a month to be able to take the test again. ( more money , more time ). 6. pass the CPL law "Oh goody" next step . 7. Take the ATPL law same procedure, you fail you wait, a long time, Money Money Money. . 8. Take the entire instrument written exam ( again) , far more complicated than the FAA and in some cases stupid, fail rate is high . 9. go do a flight is a twin engine piston , command multi instrument. 10. 3 months later ( if your lucky and can afford to be in Australia without a job that long ) you have the license and then you can apply for the job . Total cost $4,000 to $8,000 dollars Just for the training and books ( 30 KG OF BOOKS), and three months of hell, studying and trying to stay alive on fish and chips. I did hear of one pilot who did it all in 2 weeks but he was a CAA, FAA, JAA examiner, 11,000 hours etc.
4 months later Im broke tired, hungry and burned out and still unemployed, so Im out of here and Im Australian.
NOTE: CASA hates the FAA and this conversion program. thats why its so difficult and costly. I flew 18 years in America . CASA was all too much for me. there are jobs in other countries that will honor your FAA ATPL , Australia is not worth the effort, why do you think there are so many Australian pilots in Asia. GOOD LUCK " SPORT"
Apologies if this has been covered. I have searched and read all the replies here but I'm still unsure of where I stand. I have researched it though and am not just coming here to be lazy!
I have a JAA ATPL. I also have the letter from the FAA confirming this fact ( verification of a foreign licence). I have began studying for the FAA ATP written exams. I need an FAA ATP. Ideally a 'stand alone', that is one which doesn't depend on the validity of the ratings on my JAA ATPL, and can have ratings added to it as and when required, independent of the JAA licence.
I assume I need an FAA medical.
I am attending FlightSafety Wichita for recurrent in January.
The way I read it is that if I sit the ATP written exam, then have my check ride on my recurrent, I hopefully qualify for an FAA ATP.
As some who has done this in the past (almost 20 years ago!), I can tell you that it is(or at least it was!) far easier than FAA to JAA/CAA and a lot cheaper.
You will have to work closely with your training organisation, their examiner and the local FAA FSDO (Flight Standards District Office - one in each major city/region).
Essentially, to get a stand-alone FAA ATP (they don't call it an ATPL because it's actually a Certificate, size of a credit card with all the relevant stuff on both sides), you will need to do the following:
1. Start studying for the ATP writtens and do the exam - no big deal if you are already a commercial pilot and have a foreign ATPL.
2. You will have to do an ATP check-ride. Either in an aircraft (but only if you go for a generic MEL rating, ie. No type rating). In your caseyou will be doing it in the sim. There are plenty of places that do a combined FAA ATP with a type - usually a B737 is the most common.
3. You must choose your training place carefully and make sure you tell the folks who are doing the training and checking EXACTLY what you want. From what I understand, you are seeking a FAA ATP certificate with an A320 or some other type.
4. You will need to do a full Class 1 FAA medical with a FAA AME. I would do this BEFORE you start training to save you time. Not that expensive and if you already have a JAA medical, no prblem. Somtimes you can find AMEs who do both! This will save you money and you can get two for the price of one - JAA and FAA.
So, a little bit of paperwork, effort and money but a far EASIER proposition than getting a JAA ATPL from scratch. You should be able to do all this well inside a month depending how much studying you've done.
Hope this helps and hood luck! Now if I can only go the opposite way w/o the hassle! Both my old CAA and IAA ATPLs are time-expired and my only licence is the FAA one......sigh
You are correct. Pass the written and checkride and you'll have a stand alone ATP. Holding a foreign ATP gets you out of having to have a FAA Commercial to apply for the ATP.
Yes, you'll need a FAA medical. They come in three levels or "classes." You need a first class to take the written or "knowledge" test but to fly a Lear or Hawker or Cessna for hire you only need a second class. There are some FAA AMEs overseas or you could get to ICT a day early. Not much to it, see FAA FAR 67. You may need an EKG depending on your age. Expect to pay 100 to 170 USD, the high end is with the EKG.
The ATP knowledge test comes in two versions - 121 or 135. Doesn't matter which one you take, the certificate you get is the same. The difference is which set of rules the test covers and what type of airplane the performance questions cover - transport jet or King Air.
FSI does this a bunch, should be no problem. Do make sure they know you're doing an initial ATP and type. I'm not sure all their TREs can issue an initial ATP.
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MarkerInbound and alexb757 are mostly correct, save for a minor error about the requirement of Medical Certificates for Airline Transport Pilot certificate applicants.
You are not required to hold any medical certificate to take the "Knowledge" (written) Exam for an ATP and only require a Third Class medical certificate when taking a practical test in an aircraft for the airline transport pilot certificate.
In the event that the practical test is a simulator, then no valid medical certificate is required. However, you require a valid first-class medical certificate when exercising the privileges of an airline transport pilot certificate (14 CFR 61.23).