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Old 17th Jan 2016, 14:12
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Jet2 anyone?

Low-cost airline Jet2 is to publish an unprecedented full-page advert in the RAF’s official newspaper tomorrow, encouraging serving pilots to join them.

If the extra pay is not enough of an inducement, the airline is offering prospective military pilots extra bonuses to join its burgeoning fleet.

Jet2: Controversy over airline's £65k lure in bid to poach the RAF?s pilots | UK | News | Daily Express
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Money talks as they say, wouldn't blame anyone jumping ship at those prices.
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An RAF spokesperson said: “We have enough people to meet all of our commitments and help keep Britain safe.

“It is understandable that commercial airlines will try to recruit from our dedicated and highly skilled pilots.

“However, we are confident the RAF will be able to recruit and retain enough personnel to man all its current squadrons and commitments.”
This is the comedy quote for me! Really? Presumably they asked the cleaner at High Wycombe.

Does seem a strange decision to print the advert in RAF News but then that publication has always been a trifle odd. Then again they're probably entirely safe to publish as almost no one in the RAF reads it.
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But you'd have to live oop nawrth to fly for Jet2, wouldn't you?


That RAF spokesperson's nonsense is worthy of old 'Comical Ali', Mohammed Saeed al-Sahhaf, back in 2003.....
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But Jet2 is owned by an ex RAF pilot so he must know what's best!
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I predict Jet2 are but the first of many to begin a monstrous recruiting drive.

Remember that the same rationale for stating we have enough people also let go nearly 100 trainee pilots a few years ago, and also shut down WSO training.

It'll be fine!

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It ain't 65k either, not to start with anyway.
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What sort of salary including Flying Pay does, say, a Flt Lt Truckie Pilot leaving at his/her 16/38 point (or its present equivalent) get?
Yes I know it's on line but I don't understand the pay spine and other terminology
c£65000 or thereabouts for (presumably) a First Officer on Jet2 doesn't seem over the top !
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Enhanced rate flying pay level 9 flt lt is a smidge under that. Op allowance used to bump my gross up to around 69k as op allce was tax free.
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For a new FO at Jet2 you'll be looking at a smidge over 50k basic (4% rise in Apr.) and about 4k ish in duty and sector pay and 6% pension contributions.

SFO gets a bump to, I think, 56k but the same duty and sector pay.
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A RAF Spokesman said 'Deny everything Baldrick!'
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The RAF used to be more robust in its responses in the old days. When Freddie Laker tried to poach VC-10 captains for BUA, his recruiters were banned from BN so they continued doing their work in the local pub instead. The RAF still had a trick up its sleeves though, by promoting the subject captains to Sqn Ldrs in order to counter the extra money that Freddie offered.

It worked to a degree, but they still had to suffer routine humiliation when checking in at Route Hotels down the CENTO route. "Are you a real Sqn Ldr or just the aircraft captain, Sir?". "Oh, then you're in the same accommodation as the rest of the crew, Sir".
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"....they still had to suffer routine humiliation when checking in at Route Hotels down the CENTO route. "Are you a real Sqn Ldr or just the aircraft captain, Sir?". "Oh, then you're in the same accommodation as the rest of the crew, Sir."
Oh really? I'm sure they did...

"And when did you think that you'd be flying home to the UK, airman?"
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It's a long time ago but I think it was Brize where the S Ed O accepted an airline recruitment ad for the station magazine, leading to the cry 'QANTAS want us'. I think it was the year when rent for an OMQ went up by more than our pay. Happy days!
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"And when did you think that you'd be flying home to the UK, airman?"
Merely carrying out orders, Beags, and for the very reason that you illustrate usually delivered by the resident Corporal, if not the O i/c himself. Route Hotels then had very little SO accommodation available, and the sudden inflationary pressures of this change in policy took time to adapt to.

Hope I didn't touch a nerve, Sir? Am I to understand that I won't be welcome on a flight home that you are commanding, Sir? Should I tell my CO that, Sir?
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It might well have been the case that accommodation was limited, but any 'resident corporal' asking "Are you a real Sqn Ldr or just the aircraft captain, Sir?" in such an insulting and insolent manner should have been subject to disciplinary action.

Even amongst the older dinosaurs of 10 Sqn of 30 years ago, most had heard the tale but none had ever experienced such rudeness.
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Spoken like a true SRT captain, Beags. If you were the Corporal manning Route Hotel check in how would you have phrased the question in order to swiftly carry out your instructions that newly promoted VC-10 Sqn Ldr captains were not to be accommodated in SO accommodation?

I would also counter that as a result of this knee jerk policy change, any insult and insolence suffered was not by RAF VC-10 captains but rather by all the other captains who flew RAF transport aircraft not on the UK civil register. The words lead balloon come to mind...
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SFO gets a bump to, I think, 56k but the same duty and sector pay.
When I was a contract helicopter pilot I wouldn't have got out of bed for that.
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Anyone actually seen the advert yet?

Not that I'm considering leaving of course.........
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I've seen it.

It is making its way round the RAF faster than a FRI announcement.

But everything is OK. Apparently.

We have enough pilots.

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