India buys 36 COTS Rafales
Interesting that India can afford to buy all those aircraft, not to mention sending rockets into space, so why are we giving them overseas aid when we have no money?
Blunty, me old, see UK to end financial aid to India by 2015 - BBC News
Overseas aid to India should have been phased out by now.....
How's the book going....
??
Overseas aid to India should have been phased out by now.....
How's the book going....
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Or when they built nuclear weapons whilst millions of their people starve.
Just like Israel according to a current Christian/Jewish Charity begging campaign here in the US.
Just like Israel according to a current Christian/Jewish Charity begging campaign here in the US.
If course India shouldn't spend money on defense until its eradicated poverty. Just like the UK and the USA.
The title of this thread should be changed to 'India Might Buy Rafales'.
The price and number of aircraft are under discussion. The lack of a competitive tender could be an issue (as this is effectively a cancellation of the MMRCA competition), what with the Rafales haven been proven to not the cheapest of the aircraft.
A member of the PM's own party is considering blocking the purchase in court.
The title of this thread should be changed to 'India Might Buy Rafales'.
The price and number of aircraft are under discussion. The lack of a competitive tender could be an issue (as this is effectively a cancellation of the MMRCA competition), what with the Rafales haven been proven to not the cheapest of the aircraft.
A member of the PM's own party is considering blocking the purchase in court.
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I understand a lot might be disappointed in UK !
I will post - and send you - withon a few months the pictures of the first Rafales with Indian AF roundels.
If Typhoon / Eurofighters had be a little more present in the various operations theaters of the past years, it might have been helping....
I understand a lot might be disappointed in UK !
I will post - and send you - withon a few months the pictures of the first Rafales with Indian AF roundels.
If Typhoon / Eurofighters had be a little more present in the various operations theaters of the past years, it might have been helping....
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My own view is they will always be a third world country until they address and raise the standards of the populace, until then they rank alongside countries such as the African States who squander billions on the means to kill while their uneducated population still s**ts in the fields.
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For those, who hate India, F
K OFF!
We ain't give a to other nations who can't see our progress.
LOL, no nation in the world can eradicate poverty completely! Aren't there poor people in USA or Canada? Or probably UK which was driven out by India and many other nations like stray dog?
We have got the most terrible place position on Earth and that's the reason why we need such fighters. There's terror and just terror on our Pakistan side. China and its childish behavior should not be believed upon.
By the way, I don't want to start a third world war here. We are in a modern and mature world.
K OFF!We ain't give a
to other nations who can't see our progress. LOL, no nation in the world can eradicate poverty completely! Aren't there poor people in USA or Canada? Or probably UK which was driven out by India and many other nations like stray dog?
We have got the most terrible place position on Earth and that's the reason why we need such fighters. There's terror and just terror on our Pakistan side. China and its childish behavior should not be believed upon.
By the way, I don't want to start a third world war here. We are in a modern and mature world.
I'll believe it when I see it - the French and Indian officials have a lot of work to do to make this work, and the Indians are hard work to deal with.
Given how much the French government is promising in terms of 'off the shelf' aircraft, I wonder how badly the French Air Force will be cannibalised to provide this. Also how other interested parties looking at Typhoon and Rafale will react when they do the sums on the deal and work out how much more the French are charging them than the Indians...
Given how much the French government is promising in terms of 'off the shelf' aircraft, I wonder how badly the French Air Force will be cannibalised to provide this. Also how other interested parties looking at Typhoon and Rafale will react when they do the sums on the deal and work out how much more the French are charging them than the Indians...
The French are going to charge almost twice what the Indians want to pay or were originally quoted, largely because they want to supply the latest version.
There won't be any technology transfer, which was the whole point of the competition; without it India needs to do another tender on a different basis.
As I already mentioned, Modi is going to be challenged on this,
Swamy takes on Narendra Modi, calls new Rafale jet deal between India, France a 'case of arbitrariness' - IBNLive
No delivery for at least and a half years, Indian defense minister, as the price etc, etc needs to be discussed
India to wait another two years for French Rafale jets - minister - Channel NewsAsia
There won't be any technology transfer, which was the whole point of the competition; without it India needs to do another tender on a different basis.
As I already mentioned, Modi is going to be challenged on this,
Swamy takes on Narendra Modi, calls new Rafale jet deal between India, France a 'case of arbitrariness' - IBNLive
I will post - and send you - withon a few months the pictures of the first Rafales with Indian AF roundels.
India to wait another two years for French Rafale jets - minister - Channel NewsAsia
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For those, who hate India, FK OFF!
We ain't give a to other nations who can't see our progress.
LOL, no nation in the world can eradicate poverty completely! Aren't there poor people in USA or Canada? Or probably UK which was driven out by India and many other nations like stray dog?
We have got the most terrible place position on Earth and that's the reason why we need such fighters. There's terror and just terror on our Pakistan side. China and its childish behavior should not be believed upon.
By the way, I don't want to start a third world war here. We are in a modern and mature world.
We ain't give a to other nations who can't see our progress.
LOL, no nation in the world can eradicate poverty completely! Aren't there poor people in USA or Canada? Or probably UK which was driven out by India and many other nations like stray dog?
We have got the most terrible place position on Earth and that's the reason why we need such fighters. There's terror and just terror on our Pakistan side. China and its childish behavior should not be believed upon.
By the way, I don't want to start a third world war here. We are in a modern and mature world.
I certainly don't begrudge India's right to any and all of the above, nor, frankly, do I give a damn about people over there sh*tting in the gutter, but I don't want MY hard earned tax pounds going there when we have capability vacations that need urgent attention - as well as a nascent, and potentially very profitable, advanced space project that may not get off the ground (ha-ha) without some form of government backing.
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The 36 aircraft in flyaway condition are ctually being signed under the govt to govt deal allowed by Indian law bypassing procurement protocol. This is the same route taken by previous govts to get the c17 and the c 130 for the IAF as well as the p8 for the navy. This basically is a smart way to bypass and equip the aircraft and by choosing an already selected aircraft remives the doubt of a bribe or selecting an inferior product. No dobt the price will be grwat due to the depreciated Euro and will be a win win for both countries. Do note a follow up order for the c 130 and c 17 has already been placed.
I have no doubts that in under 2 years induction will start and the original contract for 108 plus 18 will keep winding along in due course of time.
As for Swamy...he is simply posturing and is a noise maker and is contemplating of filing a stay citing poor performance of the aircraft and other countries not wanting it.......something that will be chucked out as the intensive competitive analysis by the IAF and its subsequent findings would mean that swamy is challenging the very MMRCA contract and competancy of the IAF and not the method of purchse which he cannot challenge...
I have no doubts that in under 2 years induction will start and the original contract for 108 plus 18 will keep winding along in due course of time.
As for Swamy...he is simply posturing and is a noise maker and is contemplating of filing a stay citing poor performance of the aircraft and other countries not wanting it.......something that will be chucked out as the intensive competitive analysis by the IAF and its subsequent findings would mean that swamy is challenging the very MMRCA contract and competancy of the IAF and not the method of purchse which he cannot challenge...
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If India was to do as a lot of people are implying here, they would be like most socialist sh!t holes, and be even worse off than now. For the most part, the west hasn't totally eradicated poverty in their own countries.
Frankly its a bit like the pot calling the kettle black. Keeping things in perspective in regards to the technological and social gradient over a short time frame, they have done far better then we in the west have ever achieved.
The piddling amounts they have spent on items they think are vital for the progression and security of their country would do stuff all to eradicate poverty in real terms.
A society needs to develop over a broad base, they are doing that, are they doing it right, who the f#$k knows. If it collapses then no.
Frankly its a bit like the pot calling the kettle black. Keeping things in perspective in regards to the technological and social gradient over a short time frame, they have done far better then we in the west have ever achieved.
The piddling amounts they have spent on items they think are vital for the progression and security of their country would do stuff all to eradicate poverty in real terms.
A society needs to develop over a broad base, they are doing that, are they doing it right, who the f#$k knows. If it collapses then no.
The legacy of the Raj was that they gave us curry and we gave them bureaucracy......
Sorry about that, disalechinmay - but thanks for all the curry!
Sorry about that, disalechinmay - but thanks for all the curry!
this basically is a smart way to bypass and equip the aircraft and by choosing an already selected aircraft
The Rafale was chosen over the EF because its Total Cost of Ownership was given to be cheaper by the French.
This price has since escalated by 60-100%. The Rafale is no longer the cheapest. However, the rules of the competition say the process has to be completely restarted if this happens.
So the French have screwed the Indians by destroying their tender process by under stating costs and making the IAF's needs even more desperate.
No dobt the price will be grwat due to the depreciated Euro and will be a win win for both countries.
I have no doubts that in under 2 years induction will start and the original contract for 108 plus 18 will keep winding along in due course of time.
..something that will be chucked out as the intensive competitive analysis by the IAF and its subsequent findings would mean that swamy is challenging the very MMRCA contract and competancy of the IAF and not the method of purchse which he cannot challenge...
According to the rules of the MRCA competition a new competition should now be run.
remives the doubt of a bribe or selecting an inferior product.
2015 was the last year for UK financial grant aid to India.
https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...nts2013-13.pdf
In November 2012, the Secretary of State announced an agreement with the Government of India on a new type of development relationship, ending the UK’s programme of financial grant aid to India. New development co-operation programmes are now either technical assistance programmes focused on sharing skills and expertise, or investments in private sector projects focused on helping the poor. Existing financial grant projects will be completed responsibly, so that all are closed as planned by 2015.