Putin threatens NATO & EU ?
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Putin threatens NATO & EU ?
Putin 'privately threatened to invade Poland, Romania and the Baltic states'
Putin 'privately threatened to invade Poland, Romania and the Baltic states' - Telegraph
Bluster? If so, why?
Putin 'privately threatened to invade Poland, Romania and the Baltic states' - Telegraph
President Vladimir Putin privately threatened to invade Poland, Romania and the Baltic states, according to a record of a conversation with his Ukrainian counterpart.
"If I wanted, in two days I could have Russian troops not only in Kiev, but also in Riga, Vilnius, Tallinn, Warsaw and Bucharest," Mr Putin allegedly told President Petro Poroshenko of Ukraine, reported Süddeustche Zeitung, a German newspaper.
If true, this would be the first time that Mr Putin has threatened to invade Nato or EU members.
"If I wanted, in two days I could have Russian troops not only in Kiev, but also in Riga, Vilnius, Tallinn, Warsaw and Bucharest," Mr Putin allegedly told President Petro Poroshenko of Ukraine, reported Süddeustche Zeitung, a German newspaper.
If true, this would be the first time that Mr Putin has threatened to invade Nato or EU members.
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Alexander the Great: "If I conquer Sparta, I will kill your men, sell your women and children to servitude, and despoil your land"
Spartan king: "If"
There was no Macedonian invasion of Sparta.
Take the lesson from that as you will.
Spartan king: "If"
There was no Macedonian invasion of Sparta.
Take the lesson from that as you will.
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The EU
Brussels political advances to Kiev and the Ukraine as big a threat to military stability as Putin.
Exactly where do the geographical and political boundaries of Europe end? In WW2 the Ukraine suffered about 7 million casualties and Moscow has a long memory with regards invasions.
I hope Brussels and Berlin think carefully about any further Putin baiting.
Exactly where do the geographical and political boundaries of Europe end? In WW2 the Ukraine suffered about 7 million casualties and Moscow has a long memory with regards invasions.
I hope Brussels and Berlin think carefully about any further Putin baiting.
The fact that Ukraine suffered during WW2 should be to its credit, not Russia's.
One interesting thing is to look on a map at the size of Russia compared to Europe. Seems to me they've done a lot of advancing themselves.
One interesting thing is to look on a map at the size of Russia compared to Europe. Seems to me they've done a lot of advancing themselves.
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Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
Exactly where do the geographical and political boundaries of Europe end? In WW2 the Ukraine suffered about 7 million casualties
No love felt in either direction I feel. Hence why Merkel et al are treated with such scepticism..
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A Ukrainian uncle of mine said that he joined the German army during WWII rather than be forced to join the Russians - he said the Germans were the lesser of two evils.
That's how much Urainians loathed the Russians then.
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That's how much Urainians loathed the Russians then.
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"President Vladimir Putin privately threatened to invade Poland, Romania and the Baltic states, according to a record of a conversation with his Ukrainian counterpart." - Surely the deliberate ignorance of English, that the media love to misinterpret. Aided and abetted by the Kiev Klowns. As I read it he is not saying "I will" he is simply saying that he could, if he wanted to. Unfortunately, when it comes to creating chip wrappings the truth is often the first casualty. Here's one they could use, if Putin wanted to he could nuke us out of existance, now, is that a threat ?
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It's like David Cameron saying, "If I wanted to, I could turn Moscow in to a pile of rubble by ordering the launch of one Trident missile."
If. If my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle.
I don't think that's a threat from Putin. Although I do think Russia hasn't quite moved on from its communism days.
If. If my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle.
I don't think that's a threat from Putin. Although I do think Russia hasn't quite moved on from its communism days.
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Russians can be difficult to understand and can take offence.
Russians have always been difficult for the English (in particular) to understand. My observation recently being they can be wonderful, funny and generous people whilst also simultaneously very serious, and may not get the gist of jokes or innuendo which we deliver. And may take offence when none is intended.
I think you must need the wisdom of Solomon if you presently are a diplomat working within Europe's Governments, so many differing agendas. Why is Merkel so keen on advancing the EU into the Ukraine, was it strictly a increase in German trade and thus money thing?
My Dad told me never to poke a stick at an animal in its cage and it was good advice.
* Putin is simply very traditional Soviet era Russian - Soviets made him the man he is. I believe he sees the West as fairly corrupt (I'd love to read the files he has about Cameron, Obambam and more) and opportunist and untrustworthy and he wants to keep us at an arms length, is this so hard for the west to grasp?
I think you must need the wisdom of Solomon if you presently are a diplomat working within Europe's Governments, so many differing agendas. Why is Merkel so keen on advancing the EU into the Ukraine, was it strictly a increase in German trade and thus money thing?
My Dad told me never to poke a stick at an animal in its cage and it was good advice.
* Putin is simply very traditional Soviet era Russian - Soviets made him the man he is. I believe he sees the West as fairly corrupt (I'd love to read the files he has about Cameron, Obambam and more) and opportunist and untrustworthy and he wants to keep us at an arms length, is this so hard for the west to grasp?
For example: "If I had your name and address I could come over and smash you in the face with a golf club any time I liked."
It makes me squirm to even use this as an example. If someone said it, it would not be intended to make you feel confident. Hence it's a threat. If Cameron made it you might not believe his threat but it would still be one.
People say these things to make you frightened of the consequences of taking any action they might dislike. That's a threat.
It makes me squirm to even use this as an example. If someone said it, it would not be intended to make you feel confident. Hence it's a threat. If Cameron made it you might not believe his threat but it would still be one.
People say these things to make you frightened of the consequences of taking any action they might dislike. That's a threat.
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"For example: "If I had your name and address I could come over and smash you in the face with a golf club any time I liked."
It makes me squirm to even use this as an example"
I'm not surprised you are ashamed - who in their right mind would admit to being a golfer............................
It makes me squirm to even use this as an example"
I'm not surprised you are ashamed - who in their right mind would admit to being a golfer............................
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Demonstration in Moscow now
In case someone's interested in watching, there's is right now a pro-Ukraina anti-Putin demonstration by Russians going on in Moscow.
Here's a live Youtube link:
Here's a live Youtube link:
I believe he sees the West as fairly corrupt (I'd love to read the files he has about Cameron, Obambam and more) and opportunist and untrustworthy and he wants to keep us at an arms length, is this so hard for the west to grasp?
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Okay, I managed to butcher that link, and due to probation couldn't see and fix it. Sorry. It's over now anyway. Seemed to go peacefully. Lots of people, on both sides of the riot police walls.
The chanting, nay, screaming of "Putin, Putin" (instead of, say, "Rossiya, Rossiya") gave me strange visions of bier halls in Munich. Those folks have gone full tilt with the person worship thing.
I know and see some Russians where I live. Generally quite affable folks, with many of the same traits that us fenno-ugrians tend to display, once you get to know them.
Always good to remember that Putin's government is a wholly another thing than the Russian people. The single-minded media bombardment would be hard for anyone to resist over time.
Anyways, it was nice to see that demonstration happening in Moscow. Always refreshing to get a bit of other viewpoints too...
The chanting, nay, screaming of "Putin, Putin" (instead of, say, "Rossiya, Rossiya") gave me strange visions of bier halls in Munich. Those folks have gone full tilt with the person worship thing.
I know and see some Russians where I live. Generally quite affable folks, with many of the same traits that us fenno-ugrians tend to display, once you get to know them.
Always good to remember that Putin's government is a wholly another thing than the Russian people. The single-minded media bombardment would be hard for anyone to resist over time.
Anyways, it was nice to see that demonstration happening in Moscow. Always refreshing to get a bit of other viewpoints too...
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Might Russia's precarious state compel Putin to deflect attention somehow, a la Galtieri?
Russia's Sovereign Rating Clings to One Notch Above Junk Status | News | The Moscow Times
Russia's Sovereign Rating Clings to One Notch Above Junk Status | News | The Moscow Times
Might Russia's precarious state compel Putin to deflect attention somehow, a la Galtieri?
Russia has tiny and I mean tiny Govt debt, it runs Exports surpluses every month in the teen billions, it also has substantial FX reserves.
Putin called what he say happening in Libya and Syria and has been proven right.
West is in hock to the Gulf states because they need their cash so will bend over and let ISIS be funded by them with not a whisper nor a sanction mentioned as people are cowed into submission.
The targeted sanctions by the EU, UK and US - in spite of being laughed at initially - are having a huge impact, I understand. These oligarch mates of his control much of the economy and typically come from the same mould and in some cases the same organisation (KGB/FSB/SVR).
The worry is he could attempt to reverse (perceived) falling popular support by attempting to annex more errant parts of the Soviet Union. One thing that struck me there, albeit several years ago, was their preoccupation with Strategic (ie nuclear) studies and the constant calculus of nuclear parity - something we've 'moved on' from in the West.
Anyway, who'd want to invest in Russia?
The worry is he could attempt to reverse (perceived) falling popular support by attempting to annex more errant parts of the Soviet Union. One thing that struck me there, albeit several years ago, was their preoccupation with Strategic (ie nuclear) studies and the constant calculus of nuclear parity - something we've 'moved on' from in the West.
Anyway, who'd want to invest in Russia?