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None at all, but by reducing the number of unaccountable illegal aliens in the country, general crime levels will go down, and the strain on resources will become less.
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Bit of a leap of thought there Capetonian. Identifying illegals and getting rid of them are two entirely different kettles of fish.
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Is not rocket science though, if they have no national Insurance number, cannot speak the Language and cannot produce a birth certificate that they are not from the UK..
My bone of contention is after processing these illegals, they are often released, pending a decision to dissappear back into the populace.
Personally I would adopt the Aussie practice and house them on an Island off Scotland that is not within swimming distance until they remember where their documents are, and if you come off the back of a lorry off the ferry from France, they should be simply deported back to France as you are not fleeing from any persecution. None of this we will look at their case, they don't have one under EU law.
My bone of contention is after processing these illegals, they are often released, pending a decision to dissappear back into the populace.
Personally I would adopt the Aussie practice and house them on an Island off Scotland that is not within swimming distance until they remember where their documents are, and if you come off the back of a lorry off the ferry from France, they should be simply deported back to France as you are not fleeing from any persecution. None of this we will look at their case, they don't have one under EU law.
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First step, in conjunction with your first step, is to get rid off the pro bono HR lawyers and huggy fluffy lefties, then when you find the illegals, ship them off quick smart - such as straight on a bus or plane and off you go - before you end up with 10 years of legal fights about why they should be allowed to stay.
First step, in conjunction with your first step, is to get rid off the pro bono HR lawyers and huggy fluffy lefties, then when you find the illegals, ship them off quick smart - such as straight on a bus or plane and off you go - before you end up with 10 years of legal fights about why they should be allowed to stay.
I don't own this space under my name. I should have leased it while I still could
I like the idea of a chip.
No chip, show your ID/passport.
Think how easy that would make passage through an airport.
No chip, show your ID/passport.
Think how easy that would make passage through an airport.
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then when you find the illegals, ship them off quick smart -
I know what my solution would be but it's not one that most people would consider civilised!
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Lots of well-expressed (and well-worn 
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Good points on the relevance. If anybody needs to know more about the pros, cons and practicalities of introducing, and more importantly, maintaining a UK ID card scheme, I can recommend 'The Blunders of our Governments' by Anthony King and Ivor Crewe. The chapter 'ID Cards Swiped' gives a sobering account of the UK's last attempt, from hitting the Statute Book in 2006 to quietly being scrapped in 2010, at an estimated cost of £300 million.
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Some random thoughts- an identity card is a (plasticized) piece of paper. so was the (fake) drivers license an illegal immigrant used when he stole my son's identity, rented 3 luxury cars which subsequently disappeared, got son's mail redirected (he only accessed the gas bill, which the bu**er didn't pay) and a few other things. He got caught as his skin colour wasn't the same as son's, deported to his homeland and was probably back in Canada before the ink was dry on the 'export certificate'.
I'm 'white', quite familiar with the UK, and can still say "Oh aye" and "yuwha' " with a decent Yorkshire accent, so could probably avoid detection and seizure if I returned to the UK for a long, illegal, stay.
I'm old, bald, and so don't get the "outta the car, kid, licence, ownership & insurance' - now its "good evening sir, routine check, please continue".
I tend to agree with F3's first post, but he has more faith in the "charter of rights and freedoms" and its provisions than I do.
Perhaps the answer is to tattoo an identity number on every legal resident's wrist- as a teaching co-worker once suggested for student ID numbers (he had been in the Hitler youth). We weren't sure if he was joking.....
I'm 'white', quite familiar with the UK, and can still say "Oh aye" and "yuwha' " with a decent Yorkshire accent, so could probably avoid detection and seizure if I returned to the UK for a long, illegal, stay.
I'm old, bald, and so don't get the "outta the car, kid, licence, ownership & insurance' - now its "good evening sir, routine check, please continue".
I tend to agree with F3's first post, but he has more faith in the "charter of rights and freedoms" and its provisions than I do.
Perhaps the answer is to tattoo an identity number on every legal resident's wrist- as a teaching co-worker once suggested for student ID numbers (he had been in the Hitler youth). We weren't sure if he was joking.....
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I don't know if this is what sparked this thread, but just saw Met police to publish stop and search data | UK news | theguardian.com
The illegal immigrant argument for ID cards just doesn't wash
France has had compulsory ID cards for as long as I remember, but its full of illegal immigrants - many of them queueing up at Calais to come here.
France has had compulsory ID cards for as long as I remember, but its full of illegal immigrants - many of them queueing up at Calais to come here.
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It would work if police had stop and question powers. The fluffies do everything they can to emasculate the forces of law, that is one reason why the whole of Europe (Schengen at least) is awash with illegal aliens.
many of them queueing up at Calais to come here
If the introduction of national ID cards has the effect of illegal immigrants queuing up to get out then bring them on!!!!
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"With few exceptions, all my colleagues Police without prejudice or favour with the single goal of catching criminals."
"No. They can't. We get targets and priorities and taskings and then we Police."
It seems even when the criminals are stuck under the noses of Police (and others who are supposed to protect children) they ignore it or do nothing !
So before worrying about ID cards, why not bust the crims that are in front of you ? Even the Ch of South Yorkshire Police was squirming.
And since you refuted the suggestion that race plays a part, from the BBC report:-
"The inquiry team noted fears among council staff of being labelled "racist" if they focused on victims' descriptions of the majority of abusers as "Asian" men."
"It lays out how Rotherham Council and the police knew about the level of child sexual exploitation in the town, but didn't do anything about it. They either didn't believe what they were being told, played it down, or were too nervous to act. The failures, the report says, are blatant."
BBC News - Rotherham child abuse scandal: 1,400 children exploited, report finds
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http://www.pprune.org/jet-blast/5463...ll-learnt.html
"With few exceptions, all my colleagues Police without prejudice or favour with the single goal of catching criminals."
"No. They can't. We get targets and priorities and taskings and then we Police."
It seems even when the criminals are stuck under the noses of Police (and others who are supposed to protect children) they ignore it or do nothing !
So before worrying about ID cards, why not bust the crims that are in front of you ? Even the Ch of South Yorkshire Police was squirming.
And since you refuted the suggestion that race plays a part, from the BBC report:-
"The inquiry team noted fears among council staff of being labelled "racist" if they focused on victims' descriptions of the majority of abusers as "Asian" men."
"It lays out how Rotherham Council and the police knew about the level of child sexual exploitation in the town, but didn't do anything about it. They either didn't believe what they were being told, played it down, or were too nervous to act. The failures, the report says, are blatant."
BBC News - Rotherham child abuse scandal: 1,400 children exploited, report finds
From this thread
http://www.pprune.org/jet-blast/5463...ll-learnt.html
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@ Fox3
"Everybody on a nudist beach is breaking the law."
Not necessarily. It would just take a little bending and stretching - and I guarantee no police officer will want to handle the card after retrieval.
"Everybody on a nudist beach is breaking the law."
Not necessarily. It would just take a little bending and stretching - and I guarantee no police officer will want to handle the card after retrieval.
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So do you want to have the 'Pass Law' reinstated? Or police stopping people at random demanding "Ihre Papiere, bitte!".
Having held a 1250 for 35 years, I don't really see the problem with ID cards...
It would work if police had stop and question powers.
Having held a 1250 for 35 years, I don't really see the problem with ID cards...