Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > Aircrew Forums > Military Aviation
Reload this Page >

UK Maritime Patrol Aircraft - An Urgent Requirement

Wikiposts
Search
Military Aviation A forum for the professionals who fly military hardware. Also for the backroom boys and girls who support the flying and maintain the equipment, and without whom nothing would ever leave the ground. All armies, navies and air forces of the world equally welcome here.

UK Maritime Patrol Aircraft - An Urgent Requirement

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 4th Sep 2014, 11:11
  #561 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: UK
Posts: 2,164
Received 47 Likes on 23 Posts
Ex-maritime AEO but with recent experience of another ISTAR platform.
Just This Once... is offline  
Old 5th Sep 2014, 17:22
  #562 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Outside the Matz
Posts: 220
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
"Just read a transcript of the SOS speech Prior to the summit. Maritime Security featured quite a bit along with investing in new Equipment. I think I shall put a bottle of Blue Nun on ice for Friday"

Oh well, back in the cellar for the the Nun.
Bannock is offline  
Old 6th Sep 2014, 20:11
  #563 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Sussex By The Sea
Age: 79
Posts: 264
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
GlassCollector

Must be some mistake, the advert says that the Dar Nimrod is energy efficient
nimbev is offline  
Old 7th Sep 2014, 02:21
  #564 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: The US of A, and sometimes Bonnie Scotland
Posts: 549
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Surplus...

You say they won't use the Seedcorn folks. Explain..
betty swallox is offline  
Old 7th Sep 2014, 13:06
  #565 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: cardboard box in't middle of t'road
Posts: 745
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Some may end up in DE&S and other areas where their expertise will be required. Probabley not what most would expect.
Betty, I was talking about about the Seedcorn personnel being used for DE&S as the above quote suggests. Not that the Seedcorn personnel won't be used for training or frontline crews.
Surplus is offline  
Old 7th Sep 2014, 13:12
  #566 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: The Roman Empire
Posts: 2,449
Received 72 Likes on 33 Posts
Given the current state of the polls, I would suggest people re-read post 421 on this thread!
Biggus is offline  
Old 7th Sep 2014, 14:30
  #567 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: The US of A, and sometimes Bonnie Scotland
Posts: 549
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Surplus.
Thanks.
betty swallox is offline  
Old 7th Sep 2014, 15:02
  #568 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Dundee,Scotland
Age: 39
Posts: 22
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
sentinel for mpa

NATO Summit: MoD discusses Sentinel maritime upgrades with Raytheon - 9/4/2014 - Flight Global
Eul0gy is offline  
Old 7th Sep 2014, 15:51
  #569 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Deepest, darkest Oxon
Posts: 36
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Excellent! Hopefully the magic upgrades to the radar will help it see things under the water!
Ventre A Terre is offline  
Old 7th Sep 2014, 15:58
  #570 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Northumberland
Posts: 8,550
Received 89 Likes on 61 Posts
Don't think there saying that it will - quote from the Flight article (my underlining)

Philip Nettleship, chief engineer of airborne solutions at Raytheon, says that one aircraft will be used to test the upgrade – which would effectively turn the aircraft into a maritime surveillance aircraft – and this would be tested in 2015.

“It will go into a trials period,” Nettleship says. “We’re not 100% sure when that will start, and we’re still in discussions as to what will happen.”

Nettleship stresses that the aircraft would not fit a maritime patrol aircraft role – a capability that the UK is lacking – but the company is in conversation with Airbus regarding a potential solution for this should a requirement be formalised.
Why sell somebody one solution thing when you could sell them two?
SWBKCB is offline  
Old 7th Sep 2014, 17:55
  #571 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: UK
Posts: 2,164
Received 47 Likes on 23 Posts
Originally Posted by Ventre A Terre
Excellent! Hopefully the magic upgrades to the radar will help it see things under the water!
Hopefully so.
Just This Once... is offline  
Old 8th Sep 2014, 01:06
  #572 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: NC, USA
Posts: 29
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Apologies in advance if it's a silly question, but as someone with a pure civvie background, but who is a little familiar with the Global Express, given the potential upgrade to add maritime capability to the radar, would it be feasible to integrate FASGW to the Sentinel? Obviously still as useful as the proverbial chocolate teapot against a submerged threat, but with any rumoured P-8 lease/buy likely to be in the single digits surely every little helps.
NickPilot is offline  
Old 8th Sep 2014, 06:29
  #573 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: S of 55N
Posts: 360
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
would it be feasible to integrate FASGW to the Sentinel?
Nope.

Sun.
Sun Who is offline  
Old 8th Sep 2014, 11:34
  #574 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Far West Wessex
Posts: 2,580
Received 4 Likes on 2 Posts
Much as one hates to use the corny "system of systems" thing, there's a good argument that it makes no sense to buy one aircraft to hunt subs, coordinate the search for missing yachtsmen, perform overland ISR/comms, ID herring-pirates &c &c.
LowObservable is offline  
Old 8th Sep 2014, 13:22
  #575 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: cardboard box in't middle of t'road
Posts: 745
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
The LRMPA is the perfect platform for all of those roles, the only reason you'd need other platforms is insufficient numbers of the LRMPA to carry out all of the required tasks.
Surplus is offline  
Old 8th Sep 2014, 13:43
  #576 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: UK
Posts: 657
Received 8 Likes on 4 Posts
LowObservable,

it makes no sense to buy one aircraft to hunt subs, coordinate the search for missing yachtsmen, perform overland ISR/comms, ID herring-pirates &c &c.
Are you therefore suggesting then that we should buy 4 different types of aircraft to do each of the roles above?
Party Animal is offline  
Old 8th Sep 2014, 13:57
  #577 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: The back of beyond
Posts: 2,132
Received 173 Likes on 89 Posts
Four differnet types might be excessive, but I certainly think there's a case for a limited number of ASW/ASuW types (P-8 perhaps) to be augmented by a larger number of a cheaper to procure and operate maritime surveillance type (Saab MSA, L-3 Q400, or Boeing MSA spring to mind).

Of course, in these days of reduced aircraft types I accept that idea might not fly, so to speak.
melmothtw is offline  
Old 8th Sep 2014, 14:20
  #578 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: UK
Posts: 657
Received 8 Likes on 4 Posts
How about a limited number of ASW/ASuW/ISR/SAR types and a similar number of maritime surveillance UAV's/RPAS. Maybe P-8 and Triton??
Party Animal is offline  
Old 8th Sep 2014, 14:54
  #579 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: cardboard box in't middle of t'road
Posts: 745
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Spiffing idea, I'll have 4 P8's to start with and oodles of the UAV thingys, Ta.

Given the current state of the polls, I would suggest people re-read post 421 on this thread!
Read your earlier post, Biggus, just hope Putin did too, I'm not too fussed if Wee Eck didn't read it.
Surplus is offline  
Old 8th Sep 2014, 14:55
  #580 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Outside the Matz
Posts: 220
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Party Animal,
That's Crazy talk

SAS14: RAF pax to be trained on Triton - News - Shephard

http://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=80308
Bannock is offline  


Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.