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Old 14th Dec 2011, 14:31   #41 (permalink)
 
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What about Mikoyan's - the last (35th) Fulcrum has the same MTOW as Super Hornet. Their ranges: 2000 km for MIG with full ammo, missils etc (9 rails with rockets and gun ammo) vs 2300 km for Super Hornet with only 2 rockets
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Old 14th Dec 2011, 14:37   #42 (permalink)
 
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Jamesdevice wrote:-

""Under Putin, Russia is re-inventing /revisiting both its imperial and communist past"

So they're might sail past Gibralter (UK colony) Melihah (Spanish colony)
Malta (ex British colony), Cyprus (still a British base) possibly via Egypt (another ex British "protectorate") and Aden (least said ...) and Oman (just about independent from the UK) to the straights of Hormuz

Just WHO are the imperialists on this route James???
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I have yet to see any footage of those aircraft taking off with anything like a half decent payload but by crikey they do have a very envious power to weight ratio.

Looking at the footage in the above posts it looks to me like one aircraft is taking off with the brakes still fully on!! It has certainly left behind a large amount of rubber.

I dread to think of the additional costing to try and upgrade the Typhoon for carrier operation. My home from home was directly underneath the flight deck and all recoveries were more like controlled 'crashes'. The under carriage has to be constructed from good old fashioned Welsh cast iron!! Anything less will not stand the stresses involved in this environment.

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Because it's a very space-inefficient way of operating a deck. Both launch and recovery modes require most of the deck to be clear, hence very little room for spotting a/c. Kuznetsov is bigger than QEC, yet has less sortie generation potential.
Look at how much space is taken up for the launching of heavier aircraft. The big trucks they use as crash tenders take up all the space frrd of the island and I guess there will be room for a few parked aircraft aft of that structure but then you are down to getting aircraft out of the hanger lifts that can NEVER be obstructed!! Not a good procedure by any stretch of my vivid imagination.

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Old 14th Dec 2011, 15:18   #44 (permalink)
 
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I am laughing when reading his

"Now under Putin you have the beginnings of a military resurgence", "They are now emerging from that military hiatus. More intrusive flights, more naval expeditions", and "They have global territorial objectives again, and these excursions are part of their rebuilding their skill set"
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Old 14th Dec 2011, 15:54   #45 (permalink)
 
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Serge. Harry
But we gave up our territorial ambitions and don't really want them back

And as for "I am laughing when reading his..."
To paraphrase a certain lady called Mandy "Well you would, wouldn't you"


You may be too young to remember that one...
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Old 14th Dec 2011, 17:40   #46 (permalink)
 
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"But we gave up our territorial ambitions and don't really want them back"

And yet since 1991, we have operated in a long list of countries, many of which were either former territory, or fell into our spheres of influence. Is it any wonder people are suspicious of UK / western motives when they see us still hanging round in areas we'd claimed to have left 40 plus years ago?

We may not harbour territorial amibitions, but we still have policy ambitions to keep certain nations in our sphere of interest / influence.
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Old 14th Dec 2011, 17:51   #47 (permalink)
 
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It would only be prudent that such a surface deployment had an SSN for support. Given that this Russian deployment is passing so close to the UK, indeed according to open source at one point sheltering 30 nm from the moray firth, do we know precisely where this SSN is? Assuming that it is there of course.....
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Old 14th Dec 2011, 18:07   #48 (permalink)
 
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RasPutin is just itching to pick a fight with the West and to be seen as a hero in the eyes of China, Iran and others.
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Old 14th Dec 2011, 18:37   #49 (permalink)
 
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ah, here we go. Some more excellent reporting from the Daily Fail
"HMS York scrambled to Scotland....."
Wonder what the time to interception was?

HMS York scrambled to Scotland in Russian fleet security scare | Mail Online
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Old 14th Dec 2011, 18:52   #50 (permalink)
 
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Hell Man, Putin does not want any issues. Moreover, today he and his hand-toy Dima are face to face with probable revolution inside the country. So, any wars outside - what can be worse for them? Putin is a lead of the gangs, crooks and theives, the only thing that he needs - don't stop getting money from taxes, gas, wood and oil. War means the end of this beautiful life for him. One of the most recent phrases by Putin "Do not shake the boat!"

James, my native language is Russian and Ukrainian, so I did not catch this athorism. The only thing that I can say - our Russian government people don't want to do their best for army - almost all that you hear as renovation is the way to launder money or to steal something. I know what I am talking about - I had spent 12 years in Russian Armed Forces
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Old 14th Dec 2011, 19:11   #51 (permalink)
 
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it comes from a 1960's court case, and associated scandal in which a British Defence Minister called John Profumo was found to be sharing a prostitute / "girlfriend" with the senior Soviet Naval Attache... Quite a good effort by the Soviets - they got rid of one our more professionally minded (at the time) defence politicians
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandy_Rice-Davies
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Profumo
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Old 15th Dec 2011, 09:25   #52 (permalink)
 
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Russian warships steams within 30 miles of UK coast to take shelter from dreadful weather conditions!

Is this really a big deal? I guess being a warship does been it needs political clearance to enter our waters but we are talking about storm force or at times hurricane force winds and even Nelson had to give second best and take shelter.

The much sought after anchorage they sheltered in would have been either Lyme or Torbay and guess what?

Today there are just under THIRTY ships from numerous nations all sheltering here in Torbay taking that much sought after sanctuary. The numbers will obviously vary by the minute It is not news, it is good seamanship and of course self preservation, but never let the truth get in the way of a headline grabbing story!

As I am typing I note the coastguard helicopter (CG 106) is airborne and heading out to seaward.
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Old 15th Dec 2011, 10:29   #53 (permalink)
 
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What a panic? 30 miles is out of 12-mile zone around the shores, isn't it?
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Old 15th Dec 2011, 10:38   #54 (permalink)
 
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ah, here we go. Some more excellent reporting from the Daily Fail
"HMS York scrambled to Scotland....."
Wonder what the time to interception was?
Yes, the interception time may well have been greater than by other methods but......the time on task will be considerably greater....weeks if need be.
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Old 15th Dec 2011, 11:04   #55 (permalink)
 
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What a panic? 30 miles is out of 12-mile zone around the shores, isn't it?
Hi Serge,
Hopefully this might answer your query.
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I guess the Kuznetsov will be receiving a certain degree of attention from numerous assets from our armed forces...
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Old 15th Dec 2011, 11:15   #56 (permalink)
 
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glojo,

'I guess the Kuznetsov will be receiving a certain degree of attention from numerous assets from our armed forces... '

That's the funniest thing I've heard in ages!

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Old 15th Dec 2011, 11:43   #57 (permalink)
 
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I don't think so, sitigeltfel.....

Back when Gorbachev met Maggie at Brize, some of us were tasked to assist the crews of the 4 Il-62s involved. Mine was the one with the KGB security folk on board, who were whisked off to the Gateway for lunch whilst we sorted out the aircrews' requirements.

On board the jet (with excellent cabin heating, unlike the FunBus), the chief flight attendant asked whether we'd like coffee. We accepted with grateful thanks, whereupon her Rosa Klebb countenance morphed into a friendly prep school matron's smile. From the galley appeared 3 gorgeous little Russian hosties with excellent coffee and some very tasty Russian chocolates. We went out of our way to say how good they were and thanked them - they turned pink and scuttled back to the galley like naughty little schoolgirls.

There was only one rather dubious looking chap on the jet - obviously the KGB aircraft security bloke who sat brooding in the corner in his track suit. But we even got him to smile when I saw the nest of chapka hats in the overhead rack and began stroking and miaowing at them - by then the Russians thought we were completely bonkers.

Eventually the American navigator came on board (the jet was due to land in the US) - rather a petite blonde captain. When we heard excited voices from the rather ursine flight deck crew, I asked our host why the female navigator was such a surprise - "Surely you have female aircrew in your air force?"

"Da, we do - but none like her!"

It was quite a fun day - the spooks went into a fluster when 39 out of 40 KGB in matching raincoats returned from the Gateway. They obviously concluded that the missing man was either defecting or taking photos of the decadent capitalist hotel. But then he appeared all hot and flustered and out of breath. Much barracking from his colleagues, so I queried our host.

"He in lavatory - miss bus. Had to walk!"

Sometimes the obvious reasons are overlooked!
Ahh.. did you get he little tie pin thing off the Russians?

Remember the Antics,

New fuelling unit, connected up, then sample taken to see what additives was in their fuel.. before refuelling.

Standing some of the mature trees up along the main drag with 4 tonners and backfilling and turfing so they all appeared upright and neat...

Towing the hire cars away from outside the terminal, and listening to the bang as all the steering locks sheared.

Removing all the bike stands including the bikes in them.

Resurfacing of the road overnight outside the camp, so his wife could visit the local school (Reminds me of Gut when they did the same for the Queen and she went the other way I believe).

Emptying the local villages dustbins and all the rubbish along the said route as there was a strike on and the rest of the village complaining we hadn't done theirs.

Full rehearsal including meal the day before.

Painting everything......

(Still not as bad as Odious when they shovelled the snow off the road and then sprayed the dirty snow white, so that Prince Charles would see pristine snow as he was whisked through to his flight)........

Ahhh the Bullsh*t, not missed......
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Old 15th Dec 2011, 12:29   #58 (permalink)
 
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Hopefully this might answer your query.
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I guess the Kuznetsov will be receiving a certain degree of attention from numerous assets from our armed forces
Hey, "territorial waters" != EEZ, so "a certain degree of attention" is ok, but talking about a russ military resurgence, Putin's ambitions and abilities to intercept looks like a panic a bit. May be because I can't understand English clearly.

As for me, more suitable in this situation would be talking about the our weak ancient ships that can't go through small storm without stopping near the isle.

But now we can see that islemen are alerted about these weak vessels instead of laughing about the warships that looks like persons with disabilities in the sea.
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Old 15th Dec 2011, 13:07   #59 (permalink)
 
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Hi Serge,
We have in recent days experienced weather that has been quite exceptional

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I do agree with your very valid point and just like any sailor I have been in some really violent storm force conditions although 150mph ++ is exceptional. 100mph plus winds in a small frigate is from experience 'entertaining' and as you rightly say it should not be a cause of concern for a carrier, but is she in company with any smaller ships that our tabloid press have not reported?

You do have or did have much smaller vessels that tended to shadow our exercises and I guess these may well have struggled to cope with those types of sea conditions.

I could can understand the need for taking shelter if she could not clear her flight deck of all the ancillary equipment that she may be carrying, although with that ski-slope type bow, unlike our older conventional carriers I doubt if she would be taking green water over the bow.

It is a sad reflection on the state of our own surface fleet when we have to steam from Portsmouth all the way north for that type of duty. You can bet your bottom dollar that it was a most uncomfortable journey for the crew of the British warship as I doubt they were asked to take their time getting on station.
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Hi glojo
They all are from the North Flees bases. Towns around these navy bases are obviously in Russia called "the towns of flying dogs", so, the picture like

is ok for our north - nothing exceptional.

Speed of the wind 165 mph is a record and I believe that an average is much slower. Kuznetsov has a company of Chabanenko which displacement is 8900 tons - it is less then almost 60000 tons for Kuznetsov, but almost equal two HMS York's displacements. Also there are several frigates with displacements like HMS York. All other ships, as I know, should share their sailing in the near future, but not now.

Note, that frigate Neustrashimij (Undaunted) there is for relocating his Ka-27 helicopter on Kuznetsov. So, russian navy pilots consider this weather is ok for flights from one ship to another.

What about the state of our fleets (and Armed Forces in general) - it's a common problem. Governments do not want to feed big army - they forget the phrase "You will feed an enimy's army if you do not want to feed your own soldiers". Russia now feel it - we pay Chechnya, which officially is the part of Russia but in fact - the separate hostile territory with slavery, gunshots and terrorists.
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