Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > Aircrew Forums > Military Aviation
Reload this Page >

F-35 Cancelled, then what ?

Wikiposts
Search
Military Aviation A forum for the professionals who fly military hardware. Also for the backroom boys and girls who support the flying and maintain the equipment, and without whom nothing would ever leave the ground. All armies, navies and air forces of the world equally welcome here.

F-35 Cancelled, then what ?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 22nd Aug 2017, 12:35
  #10721 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: virginia, USA
Age: 56
Posts: 1,061
Received 15 Likes on 10 Posts
Originally Posted by SpazSinbad
Now for SomethingCompletelyDifferent an zoom view of HUD during an SRVL showing particularly the ETR Engine Thrust Request along with the two nozzle deflections in lower left corner. KIAS is Top Left with RadAlt Height Top Right.

That was interesting, thanks Spaz. The HUD symbology is quite intuitive.
sandiego89 is offline  
Old 22nd Aug 2017, 13:10
  #10722 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Australia OZ
Age: 75
Posts: 2,577
Likes: 0
Received 52 Likes on 45 Posts
A WIDER view of the same SRVL approach.

SpazSinbad is offline  
Old 22nd Aug 2017, 13:37
  #10723 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 1999
Location: Lon UK
Posts: 276
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50
I note that the F-35 is still not cancelled.

Maybe it is time for a new thread?
It would certainly be a matter of great interest and possible concern to the various countries that have invested the huge ammounts of time effort technology money manpower in this multi-national project, oh...and have purchased planes, that the ‘doubters’ seem to blithely ignore.
Brat is offline  
Old 22nd Aug 2017, 21:17
  #10724 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Australia OZ
Age: 75
Posts: 2,577
Likes: 0
Received 52 Likes on 45 Posts
How the SHRDLU SRVL Night Lights are dimmed QNLZ FlyCo Console. Glideslop Angel shows 7 degress of separation.
Attached Images
File Type: gif
srvl DISPLAY CVFed.gif (74.7 KB, 29 views)
SpazSinbad is offline  
Old 23rd Aug 2017, 00:11
  #10725 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Northants
Posts: 692
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Not sure if internet shenanigans have interrupted your post but it largely appears to be an unintelligible series of meaningless letters. Also not sure what a glideslop angel is?
Flap62 is offline  
Old 23rd Aug 2017, 00:14
  #10726 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Australia OZ
Age: 75
Posts: 2,577
Likes: 0
Received 52 Likes on 45 Posts
Well the says it all - just lampooning the fat finger spelling errors here along with the CRAB acronyms which are NEVER explained but I have my NavAv - so there!
SpazSinbad is offline  
Old 23rd Aug 2017, 07:09
  #10727 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Australia OZ
Age: 75
Posts: 2,577
Likes: 0
Received 52 Likes on 45 Posts
UK crabs may get a handle on this ex-AF Canuckian Test Pilot Billie Flynn lingo:

Podcast: From F-16 To F-35: A Test Pilot's View 22 Aug 2017 Lara Seligman
Video: Podcast: From F-16 To F-35: A Test Pilot's View | Podcast content from Aviation Week

'glideslop angel' = glideslope angle
'SRVL' = Shipborne Rolling Vertical Landing
'QNLZ' =
"...Special thanks goes to my hosts aboard the HMS Queen Elisabeth who included Group Captain Paul Godders, Cdr Uves Wood, Royal Navy, Lt Sarah Simmons RN – QNLZ Senior Air Engineer and WO Mick Davidson – ex QNLZ Air Engineering Department Coordinator now Fleet Air Arm Command Warrant Officer." Visiting the HMS Queen Elizabeth: The Transformation of British Projection Forces | SLDInfo
''7 degress' was my bananafunga '7 degrees' (one guesses angle for glideslope SRVL)
'FlyCo' = Flying Control from AFT (one nearest the stern) Island (sticks out from deck)
'SHRDLU' = https://www.google.com.au/search?q=s...K4Pp8wf_k6yoBA
'JACKspeak' LURNit: https://owlcation.com/humanities/Jac...he-Royal-Navy-
SpazSinbad is offline  
Old 23rd Aug 2017, 08:38
  #10728 (permalink)  
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: Peripatetic
Posts: 17,394
Received 1,586 Likes on 723 Posts
Hmmm, sounds like "flappen jacken......"

ORAC is offline  
Old 24th Aug 2017, 06:33
  #10729 (permalink)  
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: Peripatetic
Posts: 17,394
Received 1,586 Likes on 723 Posts
Another proposal to solve the commas/datalink problem.

Northrop's fix for F-35 and F-22 communications problem involves Global Hawk drones
ORAC is offline  
Old 24th Aug 2017, 06:48
  #10730 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 1999
Location: Quite near 'An aerodrome somewhere in England'
Posts: 26,806
Received 270 Likes on 109 Posts
The U.S. Air Force’s two most advanced fighter jets, the F-35 and F-22, cannot currently transmit and receive information between each other because both use different secure data links.
Madness. To require some Babel fish*-equipped drone to sort out such nonsense is a ridiculous notion.

*For those who don't understand this, it is from Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. 'The Babel fish is small, yellow, leech-like, and probably the oddest thing in the universe. It feeds on brain wave energy, absorbing all unconscious frequencies and then excreting telepathically a matrix formed from the conscious frequencies and nerve signals picked up from the speech centres of the brain, the practical upshot of which is that if you stick one in your ear, you can instantly understand anything said to you in any form of language: the speech you hear decodes the brain wave matrix.
BEagle is offline  
Old 24th Aug 2017, 13:28
  #10731 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Australia OZ
Age: 75
Posts: 2,577
Likes: 0
Received 52 Likes on 45 Posts
Perhaps they'll understand it all when hypoxic? Anyhoo sticking one in my ear sounds nasty.

Flight Doctors Key To Cracking Hypoxia Mystery 23 Aug 2017 Lara Seligman
"...All data indicate that the F-35 Obogs is by and large operating as designed—although the Air Force has tweaked the algorithm that meters oxygen concentration at various altitudes, he noted. The team also is looking at other pieces of the F-35 life support system—for instance the mask, Flottmann said...." Flight Doctors Key To Cracking Hypoxia Mystery | Defense content from Aviation Week
SpazSinbad is offline  
Old 24th Aug 2017, 13:57
  #10732 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Australia OZ
Age: 75
Posts: 2,577
Likes: 0
Received 52 Likes on 45 Posts
I wonder wot he does with the babelfish during this evolution?

SpazSinbad is offline  
Old 26th Aug 2017, 17:03
  #10733 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 1999
Location: Lon UK
Posts: 276
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
The glide path angle at London City 5.5, and Seon in Switzerland, don’t remember the angle but steep, with sheer cliffs to the port side and an offset step to the right at the bottom, do stick out as being memorable. but the glide slop indicator seemed perfectly logical.This was puzzling.

The approach symbology for the F-35 on first exposure reminded me of a comment made by an ‘older’ pilot first exposed to ‘glass cockpit’. When asked by his sim instructor how he had found the experience, his comment was, “now I know how my dog feels when we are watching PM’s questions time on the TV.”

As an afterthought, the glide angle on an engine out in a Bensen Autogyro is around 45 degrees.
Brat is offline  
Old 29th Aug 2017, 16:18
  #10734 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Australia OZ
Age: 75
Posts: 2,577
Likes: 0
Received 52 Likes on 45 Posts
Aaahhh the BECKinator is changing our language - heehaw....
"...[Wing Commander James Beck] Commander Beck told this website “With F-35s on the HMS Queen Elizabeth, I can float them anywhere I want. “I can float the aircraft carrier anywhere I want, I can float this offshore to any country, any continent and I can fly in when I choose – not when they permit me to do so. “There is nothing they can do.”...
&
...Describing flying the F-35, he said: “I don’t even think about flying it, I just sit there and look good and think about fighting.”... F-35 Lightning warplanes 'own the skies' and can fly 'anywhere' boasts RAF commander | Daily Star
SpazSinbad is offline  
Old 30th Aug 2017, 11:51
  #10735 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Next to Ross and Demelza
Age: 53
Posts: 1,232
Received 50 Likes on 19 Posts
Did he add "mwha-ha-ha-ha!" afterwards, while rubbing his hands with glee?
Martin the Martian is offline  
Old 30th Aug 2017, 18:38
  #10736 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Australia OZ
Age: 75
Posts: 2,577
Likes: 0
Received 52 Likes on 45 Posts
Prolly & RAFieChapies need to NOT add 'the' to HMS Queen Elizabeth but further news for the hyperpixilated:
"Luke Air Force Base on Wednesday lifted altitude restrictions on the F-35, but Air Force officials are no closer to understanding what prompted five physiological incidents earlier this summer....

...The base also found success with updated pilot training and pre-flight procedures, including increasing the minimum levels for the backup oxygen system and having pilots mask up as soon as they get to the jet, Heyse said [Maj. Rebecca Heyse, spokeswoman for the 56th fighter wing]." 30 Aug 2017 https://www.defensenews.com/air/2017...ir-force-base/
SpazSinbad is offline  
Old 31st Aug 2017, 14:18
  #10737 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Wilds of Warwickshire
Posts: 240
Received 8 Likes on 6 Posts
Korea

Interesting that four "B"s have just been sent to 'show the flag' in the north of South Korea. Is this as close as the F35 has come so far to active service?
KiloB is offline  
Old 31st Aug 2017, 15:24
  #10738 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: virginia, USA
Age: 56
Posts: 1,061
Received 15 Likes on 10 Posts
Originally Posted by KiloB
Interesting that four "B"s have just been sent to 'show the flag' in the north of South Korea. Is this as close as the F35 has come so far to active service?

No. There are pretty good indications that Israeli F-35A's were engaged in actual combat operations by early 2017.


One source: Israel's F-35s may have flown combat mission against Russia in Syria - Business Insider
sandiego89 is offline  
Old 31st Aug 2017, 16:37
  #10739 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Australia OZ
Age: 75
Posts: 2,577
Likes: 0
Received 52 Likes on 45 Posts
Bs will add sting to WASP in a little while:
USS Wasp departs to join 7th Fleet forces in Japan 30 Aug 2017 USS Wasp Public Affairs
"NORFOLK, Va. - Amphibious assault ship USS Wasp (LHD 1) departed for Sasebo, Japan, Aug. 30, where it will assume duties as the forward-deployed flagship of the amphibious force of the U.S. 7th Fleet. The shift will introduce an F-35B Joint Strike Fighter-capable amphibious assault ship to the Indo-Asia-Pacific region, pairing it with the F-35Bs of Marine Fighter Attack Squadron (VMFA) 121...." USS Wasp departs to join 7th Fleet forces in Japan | Commander, U.S. Pacific Fleet
SpazSinbad is offline  
Old 31st Aug 2017, 18:26
  #10740 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: virginia, USA
Age: 56
Posts: 1,061
Received 15 Likes on 10 Posts
Interesting, have been used to seeing the WASP in Norfolk waters for years, but now she is headed to her new homeport in Japan, part of the pivot to the Pacific to put the most modern/modernized gear in that theatre. This will allow the BON HOMME RICHARD to return to the US for refit, including the F-35B mods. Guess you just can't roll on that special deck coating like I did for my garage floor
sandiego89 is offline  


Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.