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Interested in canvassing opinion on the PA Spine. Have just sent in my election form. In my circumstances, the cost-benefit analysis just did not add up; too much risk for not enough guaranteed return. I realise that for many the picture will look much rosier. Interestingly, there are still some vital pieces of information missing and, although PMA tried to be helpful (really!), the answers just weren't there to be had. I am particularly insensed that we are being asked to make this once only and irreversible decision too quickly, and without the benefit of seeing all the numbers. In a few years I may have to acccept that I made the wrong decision, but at the moment I am left feeling:
I am not a turkey,
I won't vote for Christmas,
I am not in the habit of writing blank cheques.
So the answer was "No, Thanks". Anyone want to share their thoughts?
Have had a first look at the sums though and it does look promising. The difference in pay between Spec Aircrew and PAS(at this years rates and not allowing for promotion to Spec Aircrew Sqn Ldr) serving from age 40 to 55 is approx £51 000 and with a slightly bigger pension to boot.
Which begged my question to PMA do those who sign up to the PAS still get the FRI2 (£50 000)? Still wait for an answer on that one.......I want a written guarantee of the FRI2 before I sign across to PAS as I'd rather go Spec Aircrew and take the £50 000 now rather than over the next 15years if PAS do not get FRI2.
Are you sure about your figures? In my particular case (Nav also) I worked out that I end up at the top whack as approx £200 per annum worse off. This is compensated for by the increased pension/gratuity.
Well some of us chaps had a close look at it while we were down south recently and for an old git like myself(pilot 48) it seems to offer a higher pay rate and more pension if I stay till 55. If I leave early for whatever reason(and I can think of lots at the moment) I just go back to the current SA arrangements so it would appear to be a win win situation!
Things to watch out for are Govt plans to tax your gratuity after 2010 and not receiving your pension until 65!!!!!
Location: Liverpool based Geordie, so calm down, calm down kidda!!
I have read the document over and over and it seems like an OK deal. Not as good as first promised, but still an increase in pay and pension. Remember, this is what WE asked for a few years ago. The pay deal might improve with specialist pay in the future that will take you up the ladder for each qualification gained. Why have some people not signed up............... simple, the terms of service are DRAFT ONLY and your decision is irreversible. When they are confirmed, I will look again and make my choice. I'm tempted though......
Flt Lt SA Pilot, age 44. I tend to agree with Specaircrew about it being win, win. If I leave within the 5 yrs I go back to where I was, otherwise I win. Possible benefit too if downgraded over current SA terms(?) (PAS minus high rate FP is better than Flt Lt minus SA rate FP).
What some of us are concerned about is how our 'contracts' change re postings - especially for Sqn Ldr.
Nav Att - presumably if you're questioning FRI2 you're pre-38 with an offer of assimilation? Don't all those offers of SA become offers of PAS automatically? I understood that after Apr the only option (for Flt Lt) post 38 would be PAS.
Good news for those with the option of taking PAS.
PMA 34 has stated that the Terminal Grant (TG) (gratuity) is 3 times the pension at point of retirement regardless of TOS. For PAS personnel it will be 3 times the PAS pension calculated at point of retirement based on days on the spine at daily supplement.
Also P staff have confirmed with Pay Policy Main Building that the FRI 2 is payable to those on PAS as well.
And then they go and spoil it all by posting you to a really shitty ground tour :-( Some of us would be happy to take a pay cut to stay in the cockpit of a front line aircraft but it would appear that the RAF still thinks that retention problems can be solved by simply throwing money at you!