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Interesting developments (yes, I know it is from the Telegraph!!!) • William Hague orders closure of Iran embassy in London • All Iranian officials ordered to leave within the next 48 hours • Britain withdraws diplomatic staff from Iran after embassy attacks • Norway closes its Tehran embassy citing security concerns • David Cameron says Britain considering 'very tough action'
You never know SAM, you might be in with a chance !!! LOL
SAM Re your quote "Israel requires permission", that is funny. sorry, but israel does not ask permission of Syria if they are going to over fly to bomb someone. They might ask the US re Iraq airspace but not others if they don't have to. Another "Green Leader" moment ?????? LOL
Re your quote "Israel just cannot stand back & accept the threats of being wiped off the planet by Iran. Would you?" I would have thought you would have worked out by now that I don't back down from a fight / challenge so No, I would not accept it.
Lonewolf I agree re UAV'S / Satellites.
To be honest, I am amazed at what info is out and publicly available on the internet or has become public since the US invaded Afghanistan.
SAM I am trying to be black and white here re the bet so no ambiguity occurs but you are NOT answering the question re the time.
I have reproduced my post below
"Stop changing the date. See your post 52 on the preceding page. I quote
"I now bring my bet of a severe air strike on Iran to mid December."
So SAM, you changed the original bet to mid December and that is why I am working on Mid December, as specified by my ZULU time / date designation. Stop trying to give yourself extra time.
Anyone else care to chime in re what they think the date deadline of the bet should be ? The SAME as SAM's original bet ?
"I really don't think it will make any difference....."
I am happy to pay up if proved wrong but SAM opened his big mouth and I am not going to let him wriggle out of it by extending the date to give him a few extra days.
Especially since he (SAM) keeps chopping and changing on everything else in this thread, especially or even when others who seem / are far more knowledgeable post facts that are the opposite to what he has posted.
He made his bed, now he can sleep in it.
Well at least if I win, you win which means SAM won't be around any more to post ?????
That's what I meant, SAM. You didn't answer 500N's question. In fact, I think you need to address all his points. My take, for what it's worth, is that your bet is:
Big Blu dropped on Iranian nuclear sites by Is/US by 15th December.
Here's another thought for you. Will Israel really risk being caught taking such agressive action when they know that they are surrounded by Arab nations who are looking for an excuse to jump over their garden fence and try to beat the crap out of them?
READ WHAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING AND ADDRESS THE POINTS rather than keep spouting different positions every day and conveniently ignoring what's been said to you.
Are you sure that APG63's first point isn't closer to the truth? Or is this attention seeking?
Oh, and you don't need to keep quoting entire posts. Be concise.
500N, I support your position, but he (SAM) did change it to "mid-December".
Mach Two, well said.
One thing, though. I've been looking through SAM's other posts at some length (out of interest as to where he's coming from) and I have had to rethink my point 1. I don't think this is a wind-up. He's like this in every thread. Off the plot, out of date, random and with some very strange an irrelevant extras - the guy that befriended him, his son, his post as Op O in Laarbruch, etc. All a bit strange. No, it's not a wind-up, it's something else.
These "explosions" that have been occurring - and remember that a General was killed which to me seemed a bit strange.
What are people's thoughts ?
- Internal factions within Iran getting rid of opponents ?
- US / Israeli involvement ?
- Sabotage from / by whoever, US / Israeli or even internal ?
- Messy safety procedures and / or trying to do some things too fast and cutting corners, causing fatal safety mistakes which in turn leads to a chain reaction just like Aircraft crashes, no one cause ?
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Looking at the damage, assuming all of which was the result of the 'event' and not subsequent clean-up ops, it must have been a bloody big bang.
If it was a Shahab 3, a liquid single stage missile, then either the launch pad was reasonably close to the buildings or they were shifting it fully fueled. Neither strikes me as particularly sensible.
Willard This comment is interesting from the same page as the photos of the damage.
"Iran was apparently performing a volatile procedure involving a missile engine at the site when the blast occurred."
Along the lines of
"Messy safety procedures and / or trying to do some things too fast and cutting corners, causing fatal safety mistakes"
Re the "then either the launch pad was reasonably close to the buildings" I would be surprised if they made that mistake. Having been to Woomera Rocket range, the closest building to the launch sites was quite some distance away, far enough not to be affected by an explosion on the launch pad.
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Yeah I read the bit about an engine test.
It all seems rather odd. I'd think it obvious to "perform a volatile procedure" away from non-hardened buildings. If it was sloppy procedures then they didn't learn from the numerous launch pad events on either side of the iron curtain during the cold war - and a few since then.
Even in this Atlas explosion the blast seems reasonably localised.
It could have been a test of the mooted larger Shahab 4,5 or 6 but the same lessons would hold true, unless they seriously miscalculated the potential blast.
On Monday, Dan Meridor. the Israeli Intelligence Minister, said: "There are countries who impose economic sanctions and there are countries who act in other ways in dealing with the Iranian nuclear threat."
Is it just me or is this pretty clear that Israel are already undertaking direct action?
They might not need airstrikes if they have effective ways of achieving their objectives on the ground within Iran.
This reminds me of the sudden destruction of a building in Syria sometime ago, reputedly involved in WMD of some form. One day it was there, next day it was gone. Nobody claimed any responsibility, area covered with soil and sand in very short order.
Whose to say same people are not responsible, and I don't mean the Syrians?
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