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Old 13th Oct 2017, 10:43   #1 (permalink)


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EK FO bails

So when you thought you'd heard it all...

FO does not show up for pickup in AMS. Turns out he's just left everything in the room and gotten back home.

Accused by captain of stealing money from his flight bag. Refused to continue flying with the captain. No support from the company.

Rather than going to Dubai and possibly facing criminal charges in a screwed system he bailed...

Too bad the mailboxes are removed...
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Old 13th Oct 2017, 13:12   #2 (permalink)
 
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A common occurrence with cabin crew in QR, I believe. The bailing out, not the theft of money.
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Old 13th Oct 2017, 15:54   #3 (permalink)
 
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...which may of course be a career-limiting move.

There may be questions from his next prospective employer that he´ll find hard to answer, and he better avoid setting foot in the UAE again.
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Old 13th Oct 2017, 16:07   #4 (permalink)
 
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To be fair to the person in question, I'd have serious reservations flying with an accuser if I'd been accused, perhaps he would have been better served suggesting the Capt call the police? In any case who seriously cares what sort of career move it is, if it's right to do you do it.
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In this market I wouldn't worry about leaving a previous employer under any circumstances. Plus everyone in the industry knows all about Emirates and their operating practices. If a pilot tells a prospective employer how they shafted EK it will probably get him hired on the spot.
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Old 13th Oct 2017, 20:03   #6 (permalink)
 
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Speaking about "career move".
Well, let me ask you this.
How good of a career move is it to go to jail?
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Old 13th Oct 2017, 20:46   #7 (permalink)
 
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I wouldn't recommend doing it this way but the word is indeed out on the street so don't think it will really affect him.
An acquaintance of mine bailed from an unmentionable airline down the road in this fashion a few years back in a location a bit south of Amsterdam and its not stopped him getting other jobs...
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Old 13th Oct 2017, 22:12   #8 (permalink)
 
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To be fair to the person in question, I'd have serious reservations flying with an accuser if I'd been accused, perhaps he would have been better served suggesting the Capt call the police? In any case who seriously cares what sort of career move it is, if it's right to do you do it.
I'd agree here. Your accuser can have way more sway relegating you to an ineffectual defense and more trouble than it's worth. Here's an "alleged" example of an an expat wrongly accused paying the price You gotta protect your backside in these parts. Good call on the accused FO's part. EK will never support you. They always take the 'in the best interest of the corporation' or some similar bollocks line as their first defense.
Don't expect support.
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Old 14th Oct 2017, 01:43   #9 (permalink)
 
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Allah forbid he accidentally brushed his colleagues hip or knee with his hand at the same time. 🤔🤔
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Old 14th Oct 2017, 07:23   #10 (permalink)
 
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While viewing this post I'm also getting a recruiting banner from EK.

It's ironically titled "Where could you be tomorrow?"

They're advertising recruitment days in Amsterdam at the end of the month.
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Old 14th Oct 2017, 16:45   #11 (permalink)
 
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We've all seen what happens when the Co decides you're in the wrong... even if you're really not.

Must have felt amazing to leave the uniform and ID and walk away. I know of several CC who did the same after trying to work situations out in an adult and legal manner and hitting brick walls.
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That must of been a very difficult decision to make and a bit of an eye opener to how things must be if this is what people feel they need to do.. good luck buddy!
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Old 14th Oct 2017, 20:35   #13 (permalink)
 
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Fantastic news. Things really are hotting up in recent times! Lots of changes in Ts and Cs, strikes, staff leaving for better conditions all over the world... UK, Ireland, ME, HK - what is next on the cards? Either things will get better or worse. Maybe I should have chosen a different career!
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You don’t mean that the Captain had a bunch of euros in cash, to smuggle into Europe, to avoid paying tax do you????
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Old 15th Oct 2017, 06:47   #15 (permalink)
 
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Are we sure this is EK? I've heard the exact same story about a QR FO. Wouldn't be surprised if it happened twice however...
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Are we sure this is EK? I've heard the exact same story about a QR FO. Wouldn't be surprised if it happened twice however...
EK indeed.... Apparently happened on a Cargo augmented crew upon arrival in AMS...
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Old 15th Oct 2017, 09:14   #17 (permalink)
 
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You don’t mean that the Captain had a bunch of euros in cash, to smuggle into Europe, to avoid paying tax do you????

There is no such thing of smuggling money into Europe to avoid tax, you can bring in a million euros in cash , as long as you properly declare if you won't pay a cent of tax on it
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There is no such thing of smuggling money into Europe to avoid tax, you can bring in a million euros in cash , as long as you properly declare if you won't pay a cent of tax on it
Well... not necessarily. UK for example can be tricky getting cash tax free into to buy that SE England home with money earned in Dubai. If you earn cash abroad and intend to bring it into the UK HMRC want their cut.
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Old 15th Oct 2017, 17:46   #19 (permalink)
 
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Not sure where you get that from! https://www.gov.uk/tax-foreign-income says:

"If you're not UK resident, you won't have to pay UK tax on your foreign income. If you're UK resident, you'll normally pay tax on your foreign income. But you may not have to if your permanent home ('domicile') is abroad." 😉
Where it becomes interesting is if your wife / family goes home and you have a property you own in the UK then the amount of days you can spend in the country per year before being counted as a ‘resident’ for tax purposes dramatically reduces... I think at the time I last checked a few years ago it can be as critical as spending only 23 days in the UK and getting fully taxed if you have major connections there (family moved home, house etc). And that 23 days includes those being worked on layovers I believe. The rule used to be 183 days I think (basically half the year) before tax eligibility, but obviously the GFC brought home a few truths.

So just be careful as they’ll no doubt be chasing you (whether fairly or unfairly) for their cut.
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You are allowed to take max 10.000 euro's tax free into The Netherlands from outside the EU. Above that you pay tax.
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