Will Qatar Pilots be considered "Strikbreakers"?
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Will Qatar Pilots be considered "Strikbreakers"?
**I meant "Strike Breakers" but it's too late to change the spelling in the thread title.
I'm just curious, what would be the long term ramifications for the poor Qatar guys who will be required to fly the Strikebreaking flights for British Airways next week?
I really feel for those pilots, as they will have no choice but to fly the schedules they are given. But what if they ever want to go home and get a job in Europe, as most expats in the region consider doing? Will they be considered Strikebreakers and branded as "Scabs" for life?
It must be a really tough position for them, given that they cannot refuse the flights.
I'm just curious, what would be the long term ramifications for the poor Qatar guys who will be required to fly the Strikebreaking flights for British Airways next week?
I really feel for those pilots, as they will have no choice but to fly the schedules they are given. But what if they ever want to go home and get a job in Europe, as most expats in the region consider doing? Will they be considered Strikebreakers and branded as "Scabs" for life?
It must be a really tough position for them, given that they cannot refuse the flights.
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**I meant "Strike Breakers" but it's too late to change the spelling in the thread title.
I'm just curious, what would be the long term ramifications for the poor Qatar guys who will be required to fly the Strikebreaking flights for British Airways next week?
I really feel for those pilots, as they will have no choice but to fly the schedules they are given. But what if they ever want to go home and get a job in Europe, as most expats in the region consider doing? Will they be considered Strikebreakers and branded as "Scabs" for life?
It must be a really tough position for them, given that they cannot refuse the flights.
I'm just curious, what would be the long term ramifications for the poor Qatar guys who will be required to fly the Strikebreaking flights for British Airways next week?
I really feel for those pilots, as they will have no choice but to fly the schedules they are given. But what if they ever want to go home and get a job in Europe, as most expats in the region consider doing? Will they be considered Strikebreakers and branded as "Scabs" for life?
It must be a really tough position for them, given that they cannot refuse the flights.
No. Not really.
No one will give a monkeys after it's all over. It's not USA or Oz.
a) ME or HK you can't strike (Yes, I know about the CX CC).
b) You do as you're told or leave.
c) If anyone is, in future, such an ass as to ask then lie. Leave the bar and avoid the drongo.
As luvly jubbly says, don't worry about it.
b) You do as you're told or leave.
c) If anyone is, in future, such an ass as to ask then lie. Leave the bar and avoid the drongo.
As luvly jubbly says, don't worry about it.
Basil ref your point c, I doubt anyone will ask down the road, it's fairly obvious that the Qatar pilots involved are in an impossible position...if anyone is looking to apportion blame it's a combination of U.K. Industrial legislation, and one side or the other or both of the actual dispute, but the Qatar pilots are just the PBI in this.
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I never did it, but quite a few here at Jet2 did a few years back.
Generally the crews saw it as a nice change, and most of all, so did the passengers!
Never heard of any strike breaking comeback, then again, how would anyone ever really know.
Generally the crews saw it as a nice change, and most of all, so did the passengers!
Never heard of any strike breaking comeback, then again, how would anyone ever really know.
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Other UK airlines have been used to assist in previous strikes (Thomson, Thomas Cook, Titan etc) and I'm not aware of any ramifications. Those that did assist I'm sure were
happy in providing spare aircraft and crews for the extra income.
happy in providing spare aircraft and crews for the extra income.
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It is. After the UAL strike in the 80s, my Dad carried a list in his flight case for the next 15 years. He didn't rant or anything, simply told them to keep their mouth shut unless it related specifically to the flight.
Some of the guys were very nasty.
I know the Qatar peeps won't have a choice, but all of the sudden my "stomach is really upset". #2
Some of the guys were very nasty.
I know the Qatar peeps won't have a choice, but all of the sudden my "stomach is really upset". #2
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It would be illegal in the UK to discriminate employment or promotion based on any aspect of inclusion/exclusion in any industrial action. We have no "closed shops" any more. I'm pretty sure its illegal in EU law too.
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... the thread was referenced to 'pilots'... surely it's the cabin crew on strike and not the pilots... so a totally different job group. I even remember during some other BA cabin crew dispute circa 2009/10 after the banking crisis... BA were asking for volunteers to help out with cabin crew duties - and even some pilots volunteered - I know a mate did... the company was in a bad way at the time and he thought it was better than potentially losing his job... due to redundancies across the board.
Also I was lead to believe not all the cabin crew are striking it's just a 'small' proportion on the new 'inferior' contract... so surely the other BA cabin continuing with flying might also be in just a difficult position.
Also I was lead to believe not all the cabin crew are striking it's just a 'small' proportion on the new 'inferior' contract... so surely the other BA cabin continuing with flying might also be in just a difficult position.
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all of the "permanent replacement pilots" that crossed the picket line (scabbed) at Continental Airlines during the '83 strike, were "forgiven" in 1994, and went from being "scabs", to ALPA members in good standing with unfortunate dates of hire...in other words, the whole thing is a load of bollox...there may be nasty rhetoric flying about while the strike is in progress, yes, there is a list, I have on my computer, no, nobody cares except a few sore losers....
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For some Australian pilots, 1989 is still fresh in their memories.
The interesting thing about 1989 in Australia is that it wasn't a strike, the pilots resigned en masse to protect their threatened superannuation.
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all of the "permanent replacement pilots" that crossed the picket line (scabbed) at Continental Airlines during the '83 strike, were "forgiven" in 1994, and went from being "scabs", to ALPA members in good standing with unfortunate dates of hire...in other words, the whole thing is a load of bollox...there may be nasty rhetoric flying about while the strike is in progress, yes, there is a list, I have on my computer, no, nobody cares except a few sore losers....
Going on strike is not the great fad that it once was in my observation. Like a lot of us, I've been there, got the picket line t-shirt more than once. Never crossed the line and watched guys that did merged ahead of me on the seniority list with their 'unfortunate' dates of hire.
Yep, there was an amnesty given by ALPA to the 'former' scabs at Continental. Did it apply to the United $75K and $50K pilots as well?
Well, they can't call anyone a strikebreaker since AFAP never went on strike in 1989. The union told the members to fax in their resignations (don't worry, trust me etc.) and the rank and file complied.
Their ALPA brothers at United flew a couple of Oz 'humanitarian relief charters' before they were called on it. Anyway, the companies accepted the resignations and many of the AFAP members became Whistling Dan Romans in the expat world. 
ALPA has certainly crossed the picket line of other unions, e.g. AMFA at Northwest in 2005. It will be curious to see if they try to (illegally) blacklist non-union QR pilots for flying the BA charters.
U.S. citizens and green card holders at the Middle East carriers are bailing out of the left seat on the A380 and Triple and upgrading to right seat on the 737 and A320 at places like DL, AA and UA. But, getting fired at QR for refusing the BA flights might be riskier than being put on some list for U.S. airline résumé purposes.
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This is nothing more than a storm in a teacup and it will be forgotten soon enough. This is not the first time that BA Mixed Fleet crew have engaged in industrial action and I doubt it will be the last.
The fact that it's business as usual for cabin crew on the legacy (Eurofleet and Worldwide) contracts as well as witnessing pilots volunteering to work as cabin crew in past episodes of industrial action, highlights that there is little solidarity amongst crew in BA, never mind elsewhere.
The fact that it's business as usual for cabin crew on the legacy (Eurofleet and Worldwide) contracts as well as witnessing pilots volunteering to work as cabin crew in past episodes of industrial action, highlights that there is little solidarity amongst crew in BA, never mind elsewhere.
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Yup Airbubba, have the "jumpsuit protection list" on my desktop...some familiar names are on it, most of the "fleet qualified" 75K United folks went on to other airlines...the name calling and threats were real during the events, but soon forgotten, and after all ALPA is a business, they need income, and pilots provide this...while I tend to agree in principle with the strikes, and the reasons for them, lets be real, the threat of career destruction is an empty threat...would I cross a picket line?, no, but again have always been gainfully employed so it wasn't a consideration, others I know did so to feed their families..