Delta pilots get 18% pay increase.
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Delta pilots get 18% pay increase.
Pay boost for Delta Air Lines pilots thwarts regional arrivals.
Flightcrew have overwhelmingly approved a new four-year contract.
Pilots at Delta Air Lines overwhelmingly approved a new four-year contract with the carrier, setting a new upper limit for flightcrew pay in the USA.
The contract includes an immediate 18% pay increase that is RETROACTIVE to the beginning of 2016, as well as additional raises of 3-4% annually through 2019. United Airlines is obligated to match these terms under a provision in agreements with its pilots.
Flightcrew have overwhelmingly approved a new four-year contract.
Pilots at Delta Air Lines overwhelmingly approved a new four-year contract with the carrier, setting a new upper limit for flightcrew pay in the USA.
The contract includes an immediate 18% pay increase that is RETROACTIVE to the beginning of 2016, as well as additional raises of 3-4% annually through 2019. United Airlines is obligated to match these terms under a provision in agreements with its pilots.
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No, he s trying to give a message to EK management that their airline have no choice but treat their pilots and salaries with more consideration or the erosion will continue
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Many of us can't fly for them, but as ibelieve says, it's just a comparison. It equates to almost 30% total from 2016-2019. Even if you consider the accommodation allowance, no taxes (except for the yanks) and education allowance, this area's compensation falls way short. A top seniority 777 captain flying 70 hrs a month and sells back leave (who needs it when every month one can get two weeks in a row off), can earn close to 400k annually. If the pilot is also a TRE/TRI type, add another 15% or so.
That is also not counting their profit share, which is about 12% or so. Profit this year is projected to be.........6 BILLION, as it has been for the last several years.
So our old age qustion is, how does an airline with high employee costs, normal fuel costs, a strange fleet plan, make that kind of money, when this airline says they can't? Yield management types need to be shown the exit.
The point of this whole "rant" is, this airline is supposed to be THE airline that all airlines aspire to. Commercials have been made alluding to that fact. Yet terms and conditions for all employees (including non bonus managers, some of which do extremely hard work) are very below par when comparing to other "top tier" airline companies. So when was the last substantial pay rise for us minions here?
That is also not counting their profit share, which is about 12% or so. Profit this year is projected to be.........6 BILLION, as it has been for the last several years.
So our old age qustion is, how does an airline with high employee costs, normal fuel costs, a strange fleet plan, make that kind of money, when this airline says they can't? Yield management types need to be shown the exit.
The point of this whole "rant" is, this airline is supposed to be THE airline that all airlines aspire to. Commercials have been made alluding to that fact. Yet terms and conditions for all employees (including non bonus managers, some of which do extremely hard work) are very below par when comparing to other "top tier" airline companies. So when was the last substantial pay rise for us minions here?
Last edited by TangoUniform; 24th Dec 2016 at 11:22.
Delta has 830 aeroplanes. Of their 138 wide-bodied aircraft 18 are 777s. So not too many on 400k TU.
It would seem the North American domestic scene is the only place making money at the moment. And good on them. They controlled the number of seats in the market, and are now profiting from it.
It would seem the North American domestic scene is the only place making money at the moment. And good on them. They controlled the number of seats in the market, and are now profiting from it.
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The US regional Capt turned EK 777 Capt can't compare to Delta 777 Capt , he would never get there.
US pilots represent @ 10 % of EK total but dominated ME threads. This thread has nothing to do with the ME.
US pilots represent @ 10 % of EK total but dominated ME threads. This thread has nothing to do with the ME.
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Lot of holes in your argument TU.
EK & DL, Two different curves on the scale.
We go steeply upward early (quick command) then level off with a shallower climb.
They have a more constant balanced climb & which when figured over a period of 20-30 years is certainly higher ASSUMING there are no furloughs in your career.
I've had the upper edge on my DL buds in the last decade, now our curves are converging as I level off they continue the climb.
Based on what's evolved her in the last three years - they will most certainly have the last laugh.
Whom of us could have predicted AARs ill fated decisions that have relegated this job to third choice in the gulf and a place to be steered clear of by the global pilot community (prop pilots notwithstanding)
A Greek tragedy that could still be so easily avoided with a few tweaks
Ah well, we all roll the dice, can't win 'em all
Merry Xmas to the 99% on EK flight decks. Super bunch.
fliion
EK & DL, Two different curves on the scale.
We go steeply upward early (quick command) then level off with a shallower climb.
They have a more constant balanced climb & which when figured over a period of 20-30 years is certainly higher ASSUMING there are no furloughs in your career.
I've had the upper edge on my DL buds in the last decade, now our curves are converging as I level off they continue the climb.
Based on what's evolved her in the last three years - they will most certainly have the last laugh.
Whom of us could have predicted AARs ill fated decisions that have relegated this job to third choice in the gulf and a place to be steered clear of by the global pilot community (prop pilots notwithstanding)
A Greek tragedy that could still be so easily avoided with a few tweaks
Ah well, we all roll the dice, can't win 'em all
Merry Xmas to the 99% on EK flight decks. Super bunch.
fliion
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After Delta's bankruptcy, they indeed took massive terms and conditions slashes. But that was ten years ago. And I am in no way saying that money wise will we approach their standard of pay. However, instead, we have had our T&Cs eroded from hours flown, to days off restrictions, to compensation. I ask you honestly and with sincerity, since 2009, what improvements have we seen? Maybe a small increase in accommodation and education allowance, but that doesn't do anything for those who haven't opted out and have no children.
So what airlines would you compare us to? Again, the reason I ask is the facade put forth by marketing and recruitment that gives the impression we are the best.
And finally, something we can all sink our teeth in. DAL has around 13,000 pilots, numerous bases and a dozen different categories (we have four), and massive work rule restrictions. So how long does it take to publish one's roster after the bid closes? 24-48 hours. All this info is readily available on APC......Airline Pilot Central.
So I don't think my argument has holes in it. One IS a top tier airline, the other pretends it is. And I am not talking about just our terms and conditions. Just ask yourself this, would you actively go back to your home country and recruit for your employer? Would you put your reputation as a pilot on the line? How you answer that says it all. And funny, I really enjoy my time here.
So what airlines would you compare us to? Again, the reason I ask is the facade put forth by marketing and recruitment that gives the impression we are the best.
And finally, something we can all sink our teeth in. DAL has around 13,000 pilots, numerous bases and a dozen different categories (we have four), and massive work rule restrictions. So how long does it take to publish one's roster after the bid closes? 24-48 hours. All this info is readily available on APC......Airline Pilot Central.
So I don't think my argument has holes in it. One IS a top tier airline, the other pretends it is. And I am not talking about just our terms and conditions. Just ask yourself this, would you actively go back to your home country and recruit for your employer? Would you put your reputation as a pilot on the line? How you answer that says it all. And funny, I really enjoy my time here.
