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Wow!
How ridiculous has this become on a so called professional pilots forum?
So the faults/problems apparently evident at EK are a cause of the nationalities of the managers involved?
Pathetic...and to those that believe so, "eduelp" and co. Seriously you need to take a step back and listen to what you are saying. A lot of what is written here just belittles us as so called "professionals" but this is scraping the bottom. Good job boys...
How ridiculous has this become on a so called professional pilots forum?
So the faults/problems apparently evident at EK are a cause of the nationalities of the managers involved?
Pathetic...and to those that believe so, "eduelp" and co. Seriously you need to take a step back and listen to what you are saying. A lot of what is written here just belittles us as so called "professionals" but this is scraping the bottom. Good job boys...
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it looks like one can mention cultural traits when speaking of far east people (see a number of threads, from the Asiana SFO accident to a more recent alcohol related incident), but nothing is allowed about the british...
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All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others...
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OK eduelp, I will bite..... where do you think they should be getting their managers from, after all they probably need to speak good English? So take your pick, Singapore, India, Sri Lanka, Australia, NZ, which ones would make you happy and feeling less racially offended.
The reality is the company needs managers from 'developed' nations that have robust aviation and business systems, as well as countries with a sound regulatory framework. The fact that managers come here, realise in short order that unless they play the game by the local rules (blame, bully, punish) they will not keep their jobs. They also realise very quickly that if they play the game and cut costs at every opportunity they will be well rewarded individually with bonus's and merit pots. So those smart enough gradually creep away from any moral compass they ever had and fill their bank accounts. Who is to say any of us would not do the same in their shoes, I would like to think I wouldn't, but.....
The reality is the company needs managers from 'developed' nations that have robust aviation and business systems, as well as countries with a sound regulatory framework. The fact that managers come here, realise in short order that unless they play the game by the local rules (blame, bully, punish) they will not keep their jobs. They also realise very quickly that if they play the game and cut costs at every opportunity they will be well rewarded individually with bonus's and merit pots. So those smart enough gradually creep away from any moral compass they ever had and fill their bank accounts. Who is to say any of us would not do the same in their shoes, I would like to think I wouldn't, but.....
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if they play the game and cut costs at every opportunity they will be well rewarded individually with bonus's and merit pots
In the ME the locals pretend to have similar things, however the head and boss will always be the same making an open mockery of the system.
I agree that nationality makes little difference to those who participate in that scam. Some seem to embody it more easily though ....
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just an observation, for those of you who have been here long enough....
Ed the Talking Horse in a previous environment worked for both sides of the aisle.....was once a union rep and also a regional CP.....
He was cut loose of the shackles of agreed upon rules and ethics and we all know the outcome......
I witnessed him first hand and he was a runaway train.....and I'm being generous. No one directly told him how to behave I reckon.....he just realized out here he could be the 'manager' he chose to be
And he was 'merican
..my 2 fils
Ed the Talking Horse in a previous environment worked for both sides of the aisle.....was once a union rep and also a regional CP.....
He was cut loose of the shackles of agreed upon rules and ethics and we all know the outcome......
I witnessed him first hand and he was a runaway train.....and I'm being generous. No one directly told him how to behave I reckon.....he just realized out here he could be the 'manager' he chose to be
And he was 'merican
..my 2 fils
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The reality is the company needs managers from 'developed' nations
So those smart enough gradually creep away from any moral compass they ever had and fill their bank accounts.
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The rot started to set in in the early 90's when hr managers started to take over the running of airlines from Pilot Managers. HR have destroyed this industry from the pilot perspective and it is only going to get worse I am afraid.