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Old 19th Dec 2016, 13:11   #21 (permalink)
 
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You should call the journalist, introduce yourself and tell her everything you write here under your real name, glofish. Oh, wait.
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Old 19th Dec 2016, 13:37   #22 (permalink)
 
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Orla,

Why is the sudden interest on this topic? Is this because somebody's temporary employment contract coming to an end?

BBC never showed interest on FTLs/FDTLs even after Fly Dubai accident and Emirates operational incident. Why now?

No wonder people now believe Fake News more so than Main Stream Media.
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I know it's not summer yet, but is the sun getting to you all? All you guys ever complain about is fatiguing rosters and now you have an opportunity to give the matter some prominence, you complain!
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I know it's not summer yet, but is the sun getting to you all? All you guys ever complain about is fatiguing rosters and now you have an opportunity to give the matter some prominence, you complain!
I agree with what Anson says...

777 rosters in EK are a unique mix of short and long haul rarely seen outside the ME, therein lies the problem. Written laws on FTL's are not cognisant of the reality and therefore stupid levels of fatigue experienced by the average EK 777 pilot.

I know the 380 guys are flying similar hours, but its a different operation entirely and cannot be compared to the 777. Its all legal on paper, but the reality tells a different story.

Orla I wish you luck in your research, any publicity/expose will be well received by the pilot fraternity out here.

Getting them to speak is another story!

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Why is the sudden interest on this topic? Is this because somebody's temporary employment contract coming to an end?
BBC never showed interest on FTLs/FDTLs even after Fly Dubai accident and Emirates operational incident. Why now?
No wonder people now believe Fake News more so than Main Stream Media.
I think you'll find the BBC is one of the few credible sources of mainstream media left, not sure what your point is...and if you really are not a pilot why would you care?
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Old 19th Dec 2016, 18:15   #25 (permalink)
 
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Orla,

Why is the sudden interest on this topic? Is this because somebody's temporary employment contract coming to an end?

BBC never showed interest on FTLs/FDTLs even after Fly Dubai accident and Emirates operational incident. Why now?

No wonder people now believe Fake News more so than Main Stream Media.
Emirates spin doctors did a great job if even pilots on this forum are calling this "crash landing " an "operational incident"...
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Old 19th Dec 2016, 18:24   #26 (permalink)
 
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Why the interest?
Just keep on knocking on their doors!
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Old 19th Dec 2016, 18:45   #27 (permalink)
 
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I think you'll find the BBC is one of the few credible sources of mainstream media left, not sure what your point is...and if you really are not a pilot why would you care?
Well if BBC want to be credible they should do little better than RT. Same goes for CNN and others. Being tight lipped after selective operational incidents is clear indication they are not credible.

My point, the day after alleged rumor out about alleged exit of some one, BBC comes out of the woodwork researching about FDLs/FDTLs/pilot fatigue in ME. Didn't they knew what their fellow Sirs were doing? His planned exit will result in minimum $4B/year loss to British economy. Sour grapes???
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Old 20th Dec 2016, 01:25   #28 (permalink)
 
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... the day after alleged rumor out about alleged exit of some one, BBC comes out of the woodwork researching about FDLs/FDTLs/pilot fatigue in ME. Didn't they knew what their fellow Sirs were doing? His planned exit will result in minimum $4B/year loss to British economy. Sour grapes???
Forgive me for not understanding this, but who is the person being referred to here, and how is he connected to the subject of this thread?
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Old 20th Dec 2016, 04:40   #29 (permalink)
 
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The BBC are anything but credible. Their left/liberal bias pervades their news casting, and the arrogance of their editors when questioned about their biases is staggering. They're not known as the Blair or Brussels Broadcasting Corporation for nothing. Their charter should have been stripped years ago.
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Old 20th Dec 2016, 05:47   #30 (permalink)
 
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Careful you guys are not lured into a honey trap and recorded with a pinhole camera, then feature on Panorama. That seems to the way to get famous these days.
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Old 20th Dec 2016, 05:53   #31 (permalink)
 
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The Ryanair pilots who were interviewed for Dutch TV with disguised voices and out of focus (even put hats on them) were quickly identified...
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Their left/liberal bias
Interchangeable with "right wing/Government bias" depending on whom you're speaking to. As news outlets go, they're amongst the least bad. Try Fox news if you want something you agree with or perhaps just stick to the Mail Online?
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Old 20th Dec 2016, 14:21   #33 (permalink)
 
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Why should I care to explain, Aluminium, when you don't? Who identified those pilots and how? Were they identified just via their on-screen appearance or some insader gave away their identity? You sound like you want to scare away people from contacting the journalist by basing your arguments on spreading the irrational fear. That's why I laughed.
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Old 20th Dec 2016, 14:39   #34 (permalink)
 
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My point, the day after alleged rumor out about alleged exit of some one, BBC comes out of the woodwork researching about FDLs/FDTLs/pilot fatigue in ME. Didn't they knew what their fellow Sirs were doing? His planned exit will result in minimum $4B/year loss to British economy. Sour grapes???
Might want to get yourself a tin hat there!

Minimum $4B/year, just like that with STC's exit...you really believe EK means that much in the bigger picture of the British economy? Let alone to warrant the BBC running an expose to counteract this loss!

If so maybe we should start look at moving our pension funds, wouldn't want them tanking due to STC's retirement!
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Might want to get yourself a tin hat there!

Minimum $4B/year, just like that with STC's exit...you really believe EK means that much in the bigger picture of the British economy? Let alone to warrant the BBC running an expose to counteract this loss!

If so maybe we should start look at moving our pension funds, wouldn't want them tanking due to STC's retirement!
Apart from skilled pilots and cabin crew, do you think any airline would hire unskilled middle management without particular figure head at the top. No.

Most of EK's PR/Marketing/Brand Image Management dollars are making their way to mother land. This will disappear rather quickly.

It is wise to spend $3B/yr on pilot, cabin crew perks or customer amenities rather than paying Digital Influencers (AKA internet trolls) to build artificial company's image. Didn't work so far, not going to work in future.

If revenue stream from EK didn't mean that much why give KBE? Didn't do anything for aviation, other than making Boeing/Airbus designers lazy.

In hindsight without STC buying VLAs in bulk, Boeing and Airbus designers would have worked hard to build Low CASM Small Capacity (Ultra)Long Range aircraft which lot of airlines could use.

That aviation innovation is delayed by few decades.
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Some of those amongst us have lost touch with reality.
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Old 29th Dec 2016, 21:43   #37 (permalink)
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Hi guys,

Thank you so much for all of your posts, they've been really helpful.

I fully understand the level of hesitation involved in contacting me.

I would like to reiterate and reassure you that if you do get in touch, it will be under complete anonymity.

Many thanks,

Orla
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Old 30th Dec 2016, 06:37   #38 (permalink)
 
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Crew be cautious at these times what you post here. If you do decide to email Orla, try verify that he is indeed BBC, I see the location for his post is Birmingham which is BBC Office in The MAILBOX. However BBC head office in in Portland London 0844 453 0231.

Set up anonymous Email and do not email not from your Devices or Home PC etc.etc. Best to use an internet cafe, Reminder that in 2011 a few QATAR pilots were exposed via PPRuNe forced to give there details and your details at PPRuNe may have IP and source info?
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Old 30th Dec 2016, 06:46   #39 (permalink)
 
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This was a great victory in UK for Pilots- worldwide knock-on effects, Airline management will be working hard on counter measures, perhaps they will defeat us next round, if only we (pilots) could but stand united.

https://www.balpa.org/Media-Centre/P...ory-on-fatigue

http://www.economist.com/blogs/gulli...flying-red-eye


FOR YOUR OWN BENEFIT MATE!! News from down under-

https://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetal...irline-pilots/


http://atwonline.com/labor/thomas-co...-tribunal-case
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Old 30th Dec 2016, 17:04   #40 (permalink)
 
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OzoneAddict, I think you will find Orla is not a HIM, but a her
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