If you'd like to swap DESDI for LAM...
In addition, if you are assigned a LH fleet you will be engagement frozen for a minimum of 5yrs and therefore unable to successfully bid for a SH command.
All I can say to you guys, as someone that has moved from EK to BA, is that yes, I earn less but I honestly couldn't give a monkeys. I've got a normal life in a civilised, fair country again. I have days off, I have a social life again, I see my family & my friends and I don't feel like I am being robbed by my employer on a daily basis. Most of all I am genuinely home and am being true to myself, rather than pretending I like the sorry excuse for a life that I was leading.
One's a democratic nation in the most developed part of the world, rich in culture, history and geography. The other's a desert run by a dictator, high on bling and pop but non-existent in substance, beholden only to the almighty dollar.
I know where I'd rather live.
I know where I'd rather live.
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777-200LR,
-Sign on & off times.
-Published Block Times vs Real Block Times.
-Productivity. (You know: when you get 14 days AL and still work 70hrs for NO productivity.)
-Zero Credit for training days. (You know: when you do your PPC (3 days) and CRM or SEPs in the same month and still fly 84hrs for NO productivity.)
They are just 4 from a list that is about quadruple. But here's the biggest thing stolen from me: the ability to function and be 'present' when at home with my family. That is gone. Every pilot and cabin crew member (& engineer too I guess) in this place - whether they realise it or not - is fatigued and living in a state of constant malaise. 'Being tired' has a whole new definition. People can deny it all they want when they try to justify their Command or flying a 330/777/380. It's a simple fact: nobody here functions anywhere near like a person should, and is entitled to.
So on a daily basis my employer is stealing my Quality of Life. The first 4 things I listed are disgraceful. The last is unforgivable. Hence why I and many others are leaving.
-Sign on & off times.
-Published Block Times vs Real Block Times.
-Productivity. (You know: when you get 14 days AL and still work 70hrs for NO productivity.)
-Zero Credit for training days. (You know: when you do your PPC (3 days) and CRM or SEPs in the same month and still fly 84hrs for NO productivity.)
They are just 4 from a list that is about quadruple. But here's the biggest thing stolen from me: the ability to function and be 'present' when at home with my family. That is gone. Every pilot and cabin crew member (& engineer too I guess) in this place - whether they realise it or not - is fatigued and living in a state of constant malaise. 'Being tired' has a whole new definition. People can deny it all they want when they try to justify their Command or flying a 330/777/380. It's a simple fact: nobody here functions anywhere near like a person should, and is entitled to.
So on a daily basis my employer is stealing my Quality of Life. The first 4 things I listed are disgraceful. The last is unforgivable. Hence why I and many others are leaving.
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Guys, really?
I would love to see a 777/380/340 captain (or even first officer) used to great weather 8 months per year, a nice apartment, nice restaurants, clubs, the bar at the marina, limo picking you up for work etc.. stuck in traffic on the M25 under the rain for 10 months a year on Ł4k a month in one of the most expensive cities on the planet. And doing 900 hrs a year.
I am not saying in any way that the middle east doesn't have its problems and that you don't work very hard..just trying to bring a little bit of balance to the topic before we get too carried away.
I would love to see a 777/380/340 captain (or even first officer) used to great weather 8 months per year, a nice apartment, nice restaurants, clubs, the bar at the marina, limo picking you up for work etc.. stuck in traffic on the M25 under the rain for 10 months a year on Ł4k a month in one of the most expensive cities on the planet. And doing 900 hrs a year.
I am not saying in any way that the middle east doesn't have its problems and that you don't work very hard..just trying to bring a little bit of balance to the topic before we get too carried away.
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Bringbackthe 80's, Please apply.
https://tas-ekgcareers.taleo.net/car...st.ftl?lang=en
Then your "balanced" view may not be so balanced when the reality sinks in once you've done some time there.
Keepitrealok is 100% on the money and only highlights some of the issues that are now seeing so many head to the exit door.
https://tas-ekgcareers.taleo.net/car...st.ftl?lang=en
Then your "balanced" view may not be so balanced when the reality sinks in once you've done some time there.
Keepitrealok is 100% on the money and only highlights some of the issues that are now seeing so many head to the exit door.
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Wow 80's man---good to see you picked all the highlights!!! 3 out the 6 'niceties' had to do with restaurant and bars Can get the same at half the price anywhere in Europe or the UK. As if the quality of bars and restaurants plays any significant role in the true quality of life.
The car pickup (hardly a limo) is nice - but in most opinions nothing more than a trade off for coming to work work early, ahead of check in time.
But you have it all figured out.........
The car pickup (hardly a limo) is nice - but in most opinions nothing more than a trade off for coming to work work early, ahead of check in time.
But you have it all figured out.........
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Ah, those will be the bars that charge over 6euros for a glass of water, and 25 euros for a cocktail. (yes, I paid that much at a snooty establishment last night..and I won't be back..what an overpriced and underwhelming experience).
Dubai was rated as the most expensive place on the planet to celebrate New Years Eve. It has become excessively expensive to live here, and the only people benefiting from it all are the ludicrously greedy landlords who keep forcing residential and commercial rents up without a moment's thought for what it's doing to the country. They simply couldn't care less as long as they can fill their coffers.
Dubai was rated as the most expensive place on the planet to celebrate New Years Eve. It has become excessively expensive to live here, and the only people benefiting from it all are the ludicrously greedy landlords who keep forcing residential and commercial rents up without a moment's thought for what it's doing to the country. They simply couldn't care less as long as they can fill their coffers.
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Don't disagree with 3 of your points although the block times argument is questionable. If you and the likes of TRADER, as well as many others on here consider the report time an issue, why turn up early? Nothing to stop you clearing security then relax with a nice cuppa in Costa until around -70. Especially if you're leaving EK soon anyway, eh?
After all, where is it written we need to be there -83? Nowhere. So, to you and all the other 'silent' moaners, put your money where your mouth is and turn up 'on time'. Or are your testicles not fully developed yet? Personally, I'd rather look at the extra time briefing the crew as time far more favourable spent than finding a parking space at 5.30 on a dark winters morning followed by a bus journey with a load of long faced strangers glued to their phones.
Harry
Don't disagree with 3 of your points although the block times argument is questionable. If you and the likes of TRADER, as well as many others on here consider the report time an issue, why turn up early? Nothing to stop you clearing security then relax with a nice cuppa in Costa until around -70. Especially if you're leaving EK soon anyway, eh?
After all, where is it written we need to be there -83? Nowhere. So, to you and all the other 'silent' moaners, put your money where your mouth is and turn up 'on time'. Or are your testicles not fully developed yet? Personally, I'd rather look at the extra time briefing the crew as time far more favourable spent than finding a parking space at 5.30 on a dark winters morning followed by a bus journey with a load of long faced strangers glued to their phones.
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If you have had enough of Dubai and are only focused on a exit strategy, then BA is at present as good as it probably gets if you are European and don't mind commuting, should you wish to live outside London. However I don't know anyone in EK that is interested in BA because it's BA. This purely down to personal circumstances and lifestyle choice and you will find a myriad of opinions, as to how appealing BA is for some and not for others, as we have seen here.
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Harry--read my post again.....most agree that transport is a nice perk and accept being early. Not a moan!
But I can't stand seeing comments about how good it is because the bars are great and there is a cool beach bar. Give me a feckin break.
But I can't stand seeing comments about how good it is because the bars are great and there is a cool beach bar. Give me a feckin break.
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Fair comment mate, just that you also referred to the early report time too. Not having a go......honest!
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Those deaf-mutes you so disrespectfully refer to work a 10 hour day, 6 days a week. Their salary is 2500 dhs a month. If ever a pilot makes a complaint against them (and they do), it's one strike and a fine. 3 and they're finished. Any speeding fines have to be payed by them (fair enough) but the Company also add on another 500 too! Nice. So, next time you pile into the car and ask the 'smelly driver' to take you home, spare a thought for those less privileged then yourself. Regardless of what you may think of their driving abilities, your lack of basic respect for a fellow human being borders on a total disgrace and to write such disrespectful comments on a public forum is inexcusable. For someone so educated, you should be ashamed of yourself for printing that. And you have the audacity to criticise the Company for not respecting you?
Nobody forces you to use the transport facility. If it bothers you that much, do your own pedal pumping.
Harry
Fair comment mate, just that you also referred to the early report time too. Not having a go......honest!
Muttley
Those deaf-mutes you so disrespectfully refer to work a 10 hour day, 6 days a week. Their salary is 2500 dhs a month. If ever a pilot makes a complaint against them (and they do), it's one strike and a fine. 3 and they're finished. Any speeding fines have to be payed by them (fair enough) but the Company also add on another 500 too! Nice. So, next time you pile into the car and ask the 'smelly driver' to take you home, spare a thought for those less privileged then yourself. Regardless of what you may think of their driving abilities, your lack of basic respect for a fellow human being borders on a total disgrace and to write such disrespectful comments on a public forum is inexcusable. For someone so educated, you should be ashamed of yourself for printing that. And you have the audacity to criticise the Company for not respecting you?
Nobody forces you to use the transport facility. If it bothers you that much, do your own pedal pumping.
Harry
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Also, check out Jewels over by the Warehouse.
As I recall, the buffet dinner at the Le Méridien included the cover charge.
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It seems some people are so delighted at the fact BA are here in Dubai doing a roadshow in Emirates backyard, they are blinded by the facts.
If anyone takes the time to do their research and speak to people in BA (as I have,) they will realise that there are plenty of issues working for them too. Indeed others have alluded to them in this thread.
For some people in certain situations it really is a great move! For others, less so.
I certainly wouldn't describe myself as a 'koolaid' drinker. I haven't made any direct comparisons between BA and EK. Sorry you feel the need to label me like that just because I dared to suggest that BA may not be the perfect solution for all pilots in EK.
If anyone takes the time to do their research and speak to people in BA (as I have,) they will realise that there are plenty of issues working for them too. Indeed others have alluded to them in this thread.
For some people in certain situations it really is a great move! For others, less so.
I certainly wouldn't describe myself as a 'koolaid' drinker. I haven't made any direct comparisons between BA and EK. Sorry you feel the need to label me like that just because I dared to suggest that BA may not be the perfect solution for all pilots in EK.
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The tone has got pretty low around here lately with the New Years hangover....but Muttley...your post is disgraceful and more importantly untrue except in isolated cases.
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2. No posting of pvt messages (even if tasteless)
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1. No outing of a posters identity
2. No posting of pvt messages (even if tasteless)
777-200LR:
Where to begin... I think most of it has been eloquently covered by others. I'm just trying to give an impression of how life is for me now, not start an argument. All I can say further on the subject is that I feel human again and have a life in my own culture. "What good's money if you're not around to enjoy it?" (apologies to Star Wars) is pretty much how I feel about it.
If you're happy at EK - cool, enjoy it. If you're not, I can recommend BA
Could you kindly elaborate more on the being robbed by your employer on a daily basis bit.
If you're happy at EK - cool, enjoy it. If you're not, I can recommend BA
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Guys thanks for all of your inputs, but may I ask, you have to have the right to work in UK/EU correct? So if someone like me who is a GCC national and wants to escape the desert to the greener side of the planet I have to have the right to work in EU? regardless I have 2300 hrs on a/c with MTOW above 50 t....