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"I can't believe some of this pompous horse manure I'm reading here. The US majors hire just about all their guys from turboprop / RJ / ex mil / bizjet backgrounds. Same with a few other dodgy amateur operators like Cathay, Qantas, Virgin 
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"Quite true, however I think you'll find that the U.S. Majors then put these guys onto either the same type they have flow or onto 737/320"
Sigh....no comment...........I didn't know the legacy carriers operated biz jets, ATRs, or F16's............ignorance is bliss....
""Quite true, however I think you'll find that the U.S. Majors then put these guys onto either the same type they have flow or onto 737/320"
Sigh....no comment...........I didn't know the legacy carriers operated biz jets, ATRs, or F16's............ignorance is bliss....
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Ahhh nope...
I can't believe some of this pompous horse manure I'm reading here. The US majors hire just about all their guys from turboprop / RJ / ex mil / bizjet backgrounds. Same with a few other dodgy amateur operators like Cathay, Qantas, Virgin
Firstly in the US you need 1500 hours before they will let you touch a Dash 8. Second you need at least 3000 hours to submit your application to a Major. Third you need about 5,000 hours TT with about 2,000 PIC to be anywhere near the beginning of competitive. These numbers are not even close to what EK is asking.
There are several people at EK that are over 10,000 hours with wide body PIC time waiting for the majors to call. You are waaaaay off base on this one my friend.
Firstly in the US you need 1500 hours before they will let you touch a Dash 8. Second you need at least 3000 hours to submit your application to a Major. Third you need about 5,000 hours TT with about 2,000 PIC to be anywhere near the beginning of competitive. These numbers are not even close to what EK is asking.
There are several people at EK that are over 10,000 hours with wide body PIC time waiting for the majors to call. You are waaaaay off base on this one my friend.
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Let's not compare your US standards right now. That's because you've got so many people which is why there is a long waiting time; as a result your higher requirements.
People touch Dash 8, A320, B737, B757s right seat as low as 250 hours and not even one accident till date in the last seven years since the boom happened. Thus with right training, SOP procedures and experience, such matters can be served well.
We have captains who are as young as 24 flying left seat A320 ( Indigo Airlines has got over a 100 airplanes, Along with many other carriers ) that fly almost over 10 million passengers in a year in this country and around the world.
India of course is your biggest market now which is why the ME3 is also investing and wants to invest in shares in the airlines out here. EK also highly respects the Training Standards of Indigo Airlines per se.
It's amazing how the dynamics have changed.
People touch Dash 8, A320, B737, B757s right seat as low as 250 hours and not even one accident till date in the last seven years since the boom happened. Thus with right training, SOP procedures and experience, such matters can be served well.
We have captains who are as young as 24 flying left seat A320 ( Indigo Airlines has got over a 100 airplanes, Along with many other carriers ) that fly almost over 10 million passengers in a year in this country and around the world.
India of course is your biggest market now which is why the ME3 is also investing and wants to invest in shares in the airlines out here. EK also highly respects the Training Standards of Indigo Airlines per se.
It's amazing how the dynamics have changed.
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Pulk.where are you getting this info about EK respecting the training standards at indigo .
I could provide details to the opposite . Have a look at the EK seniority list and it tells the story.
I could provide details to the opposite . Have a look at the EK seniority list and it tells the story.
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Pulk I do not know what you are talking about or where you are getting your information from.
In the U.S. a pilot needs 1500 flying hours to get an airline job.
You say the U.S. has lots of people but so does India. What is the difference? Why is India hiring pilots with 250 hours when in the U.S. a pilot has to have over 3000 hours to be competive. A pilot would need less than 3000 hrs if they are not a white male though.
In the U.S. a pilot needs 1500 flying hours to get an airline job.
You say the U.S. has lots of people but so does India. What is the difference? Why is India hiring pilots with 250 hours when in the U.S. a pilot has to have over 3000 hours to be competive. A pilot would need less than 3000 hrs if they are not a white male though.
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U.S.info:
These reduced mins won't help recruit many U.S. guys, because there are so many jobs here.
The turboprops have been (mostly) phased out at the regional airlines...smallest is 50 seat jet, usually.
Guys are coming out of turboprops, 50 seat jets and bizjets, and going straight to 767s, for example at Delta, or straight into 747s at Atlas.
US ATP is 1500 hours, unless you completed a specific type of flight school, like Univ. of North Dakota or Embry-Riddle...you only need 1000 hours. If you are military trained you only need 750 for an ATP. You have to have an ATP to fly right seat in any airliner, including the few remaining -8s.
Delta, American, United, Southwest and FedEx are already experiencing some hiring problems. For example, a recent new-hire class at FEDEX has 1/2 no-shows, and Southwest removed their long-standing 1000 Turbine PIC requirement.
Pilots have been hired with no Turbine PIC at some of these airlines, including Atlas. Lots of the regional jets are parked and/or they are canceling flights for lack of crews.
Delta mgmt came to their union early (before the contract had expired) with a pay raise...this is unusual...and the DAL pilots rejected the increase as unsatisfactory.
Delta is considering starting ab-initio training in the future, as the pilot shortage worsens. American has started flow-through...when you are hired at the American owned regional feeder airline, you are automatically moved to mainline American when your turn comes.
Emirates would get more U.S.guys, if they opened a U.S.pilot base. However, EVERYONE here is paid for their Block hours, regardless if they are in the front seats, or taking a nap in the crew bunks. My airline would go CRAZY if the company asked for us to be paid only when we were in the the front seats!!!
We have gotten one or two guys here at Atlas from Emirates. I think it would be a good fit for the EK guys who like flying worldwide. We fly freight and passengers. You do need a Greencard or U.S. passport. We need a lot of pilots...trying to expand...
These reduced mins won't help recruit many U.S. guys, because there are so many jobs here.
The turboprops have been (mostly) phased out at the regional airlines...smallest is 50 seat jet, usually.
Guys are coming out of turboprops, 50 seat jets and bizjets, and going straight to 767s, for example at Delta, or straight into 747s at Atlas.
US ATP is 1500 hours, unless you completed a specific type of flight school, like Univ. of North Dakota or Embry-Riddle...you only need 1000 hours. If you are military trained you only need 750 for an ATP. You have to have an ATP to fly right seat in any airliner, including the few remaining -8s.
Delta, American, United, Southwest and FedEx are already experiencing some hiring problems. For example, a recent new-hire class at FEDEX has 1/2 no-shows, and Southwest removed their long-standing 1000 Turbine PIC requirement.
Pilots have been hired with no Turbine PIC at some of these airlines, including Atlas. Lots of the regional jets are parked and/or they are canceling flights for lack of crews.
Delta mgmt came to their union early (before the contract had expired) with a pay raise...this is unusual...and the DAL pilots rejected the increase as unsatisfactory.
Delta is considering starting ab-initio training in the future, as the pilot shortage worsens. American has started flow-through...when you are hired at the American owned regional feeder airline, you are automatically moved to mainline American when your turn comes.
Emirates would get more U.S.guys, if they opened a U.S.pilot base. However, EVERYONE here is paid for their Block hours, regardless if they are in the front seats, or taking a nap in the crew bunks. My airline would go CRAZY if the company asked for us to be paid only when we were in the the front seats!!!
We have gotten one or two guys here at Atlas from Emirates. I think it would be a good fit for the EK guys who like flying worldwide. We fly freight and passengers. You do need a Greencard or U.S. passport. We need a lot of pilots...trying to expand...
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Oh FFS, who gives a toss if they get recruited elsewhere, its never happened before at EK but they now have to do it to keep the show on the road, the sad this is that this is their answer instead of making the package attractive - that's what you should be worried about, the stagnation of your future salary potential!!
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Emirates pilots get paid for time on the airplane, FOR NOW. We don't get credit for bunk time that is why so many pilots are over 900 hours for the year.
I'm sure this will change in the months ahead. CRS pilots are saying 110-120 hours a month and will only get credit for stick time. This little nugget doesn't effect the 330 pilots negatively for a change but the other two fleets will be effected big time.
I'm sure this will change in the months ahead. CRS pilots are saying 110-120 hours a month and will only get credit for stick time. This little nugget doesn't effect the 330 pilots negatively for a change but the other two fleets will be effected big time.
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That move, if true will bankrupt the company.
Nobody will stay for that kind of roster...you have to live a life as well.
They will have my resignation along with countless hundreds of others as well if they try such an utterly stupid move.
Obviously a good way to put out a fire is to throw gas on it!
That move, if true will bankrupt the company.
Nobody will stay for that kind of roster...you have to live a life as well.
They will have my resignation along with countless hundreds of others as well if they try such an utterly stupid move.
Obviously a good way to put out a fire is to throw gas on it!
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I feel that if an airline sets their minimum at 1500, all it does is increase the resume intake. I'm sure they'll take experience in hrs over anything any day. If their initial requirement was say 2500, maybe they set it to 1500 now so that can accept the guy with 2000. I don't think they'll hire the guy with 1501 hrs....
In no way can you compare ME to the States though, different dimension entirely.
In no way can you compare ME to the States though, different dimension entirely.
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I wouldn't want to bet any money on that Outlaw. The company is truly desperate now and it is only going to get worse in the months ahead.
If the rumours are true there are some really troubling times for EK;
11% resignation rate.
FOs leaving in droves, at a much higher clip than Capts.
Dubai's astronomical inflation rate and it is only going to go higher w petrol rising 24% and VAT coming in at 7%. As an aside the company had to know these two items were in the works and still screwed us on the Pay Review.
No one qualified wanting to join EK.
1500 hr pilots are now eligible. What's next?
Over 50 pilots off on medical leave for heart problems. Does the company care? Only if they have to park airplanes.
Like I said Outlaw I wouldn't want to put any money on your statement. Plus I don't think too many Canadians or South Africans will leave no matter how much worse it gets here. I won't even mention the 3rd world pilots. They are in even if we fly 125 hrs a month for 50% less pay.
If the rumours are true there are some really troubling times for EK;
11% resignation rate.
FOs leaving in droves, at a much higher clip than Capts.
Dubai's astronomical inflation rate and it is only going to go higher w petrol rising 24% and VAT coming in at 7%. As an aside the company had to know these two items were in the works and still screwed us on the Pay Review.
No one qualified wanting to join EK.
1500 hr pilots are now eligible. What's next?
Over 50 pilots off on medical leave for heart problems. Does the company care? Only if they have to park airplanes.
Like I said Outlaw I wouldn't want to put any money on your statement. Plus I don't think too many Canadians or South Africans will leave no matter how much worse it gets here. I won't even mention the 3rd world pilots. They are in even if we fly 125 hrs a month for 50% less pay.
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I submitted my App in today. Before anyone says anything, I understand the current condition of Emirates, and I've done hours of research on the work conditions. U.S. Regionals are no better, but at this rate I'll be able to save money. I'm a single 22 male.
I have an ATPL with a type rating in the 170/190 , 2300TT 1100 Multi. 700 Turbine Pilot in command and 300 in a E175.
Are these qualifications at this point competitive? And what equipment can j be expected to get hired in?
I have an ATPL with a type rating in the 170/190 , 2300TT 1100 Multi. 700 Turbine Pilot in command and 300 in a E175.
Are these qualifications at this point competitive? And what equipment can j be expected to get hired in?
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Love to see the vision from few users of "low quality" pilots from South America Africa. LQ people, LQ qualification, accepts LQ jobs....Sad thing to know guys with this thougths are pilots too.....
Greetings from the 3rd world!
Greetings from the 3rd world!
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A couple of observations -
U.S. airlines don't care if you've flown a specific jet type. In the first week of training you get assigned whatever's available. At my company alone they've had almost entire classes go the MD-80, another class go to the 737, another class go to the 767 and another class go to the A320. New hires experience doesn't matter. The odds of having a type rating and actually getting assigned to that a/c as a new hire is very low.
Most U.S. airlines value PIC time over non PIC experience, even in their specific fleet types. And yes, that includes TPIC time. A 5000 hr turboprop pilot, with 2000 hrs of TPIC, will rate higher than a 5000 hr jet pilot with no command experience.
Military training is a plus.
Most don't use helicopter time towards their minimums.
A four year college degree is almost a 100% requirement. There are some who get hired without one. If you're on the low end of TT experience, with no, or low, turbine PIC time, and no college degree, the odds are very small that the Big 3 or Big 4 (AA, DL, UA, SW)(~90% of the U.S. majors) will hire you.
You don't learn much on big jets, you just retain the basics you learned on smaller jets(more landings, more approaches, etc). The flying skills are tough to develop on big jets for the new guys but teaching new SOP's related to long haul ops is fairly easy for a new, but experienced, FO.
U.S. airlines don't care if you've flown a specific jet type. In the first week of training you get assigned whatever's available. At my company alone they've had almost entire classes go the MD-80, another class go to the 737, another class go to the 767 and another class go to the A320. New hires experience doesn't matter. The odds of having a type rating and actually getting assigned to that a/c as a new hire is very low.
Most U.S. airlines value PIC time over non PIC experience, even in their specific fleet types. And yes, that includes TPIC time. A 5000 hr turboprop pilot, with 2000 hrs of TPIC, will rate higher than a 5000 hr jet pilot with no command experience.
Military training is a plus.
Most don't use helicopter time towards their minimums.
A four year college degree is almost a 100% requirement. There are some who get hired without one. If you're on the low end of TT experience, with no, or low, turbine PIC time, and no college degree, the odds are very small that the Big 3 or Big 4 (AA, DL, UA, SW)(~90% of the U.S. majors) will hire you.
You don't learn much on big jets, you just retain the basics you learned on smaller jets(more landings, more approaches, etc). The flying skills are tough to develop on big jets for the new guys but teaching new SOP's related to long haul ops is fairly easy for a new, but experienced, FO.
short flights long nights
Outlaw...I hear what you are saying and I could not agree more. 110 hours a month!!!, that WILL kill you.
However...when they changed the hours from 78 to 92 hours a month, what did we do, nothing.
I believe the new standard is 96 to 98 hours a month, and I can only assume people are flying the roster.
So what does the company think? Let's try for stick time only and go to 110 hours a month, they won't do anything, they can't do anything, except leave.
And just a few posts back, we have a post from Slaveway, chomping at the bit to fly a big shiny jet for 110 hours a month.
And we have Baron Blue asking if EK will pay to ship his stuff to Dubai.
And over on the EK Interview thread, there are more like him.
I fear bad times ahead, very bad times.
However...when they changed the hours from 78 to 92 hours a month, what did we do, nothing.
I believe the new standard is 96 to 98 hours a month, and I can only assume people are flying the roster.
So what does the company think? Let's try for stick time only and go to 110 hours a month, they won't do anything, they can't do anything, except leave.
And just a few posts back, we have a post from Slaveway, chomping at the bit to fly a big shiny jet for 110 hours a month.
And we have Baron Blue asking if EK will pay to ship his stuff to Dubai.
And over on the EK Interview thread, there are more like him.
I fear bad times ahead, very bad times.
