Best Place in the Middle East now for B777 F/O to start
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Best Place in the Middle East now for B777 F/O to start
Hello all,
I am relatively new here. I would like to get the input of people who have been working in the Middle East for a long time and can guide me to what they think is the best place to start as a B777 F/O? I am choosing from the big 3 in the ME.
Thanks in advance,
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I am relatively new here. I would like to get the input of people who have been working in the Middle East for a long time and can guide me to what they think is the best place to start as a B777 F/O? I am choosing from the big 3 in the ME.
Thanks in advance,
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I appreciate the replies.
Considering best place to live?
Doha, AD, Dubai??
Ill probably be there for a long time and more likely than not will start a family there someday?. So if I'm willing to wait a couple of years for the left seat but have a relatively nicer place to live and environment,
What would be the order in your opinion??
Thanks people!
Considering best place to live?
Doha, AD, Dubai??
Ill probably be there for a long time and more likely than not will start a family there someday?. So if I'm willing to wait a couple of years for the left seat but have a relatively nicer place to live and environment,
What would be the order in your opinion??
Thanks people!
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Dubai is best for infrastructure and living. After that Abu Dhabi and Doha in that order.
EK is probably worst for roster. Don't know about EY 777 rosters but since both EY and QR have narrow bodies the wide bodies are predominately doing long haul with lay overs.
EK is also worst for upgrade, unless you are on the fast track option, but then again I wouldn't trust any guarantees, this place will only let you down. All three. Whatever people tell you always assume the worst. I always find it funny when guys believe the crap that management feed them. You usually meet them down the line sometime later only for them to look startled at the fact that they were lied to. Serves you right for believing crap.
I think EY seems to treat their staff the best. Followed by EK and then QR, who don't seem to like the idea that pilots exist, and just put up with them because they have to.
So to summarize:
Treatment of Pilots
1. EY
2. EK
3. QR
Upgrade (Normal Track):
1. QR
2. EY
3. EK
Location:
1. EK
2. EY (Some may argue that Abu Dhabi is better since rents are lower and Dubai is ultimately just one hour away, its subjective)
3. QR
Rosters:
1. QR/EY (Don't know really about EY but cannot be worse than EK)
2. EK
Assuming I give 3 points for first place, 1 point for second and no points for third,
EK: 5
QR: 6
EY: 8
EK is probably worst for roster. Don't know about EY 777 rosters but since both EY and QR have narrow bodies the wide bodies are predominately doing long haul with lay overs.
EK is also worst for upgrade, unless you are on the fast track option, but then again I wouldn't trust any guarantees, this place will only let you down. All three. Whatever people tell you always assume the worst. I always find it funny when guys believe the crap that management feed them. You usually meet them down the line sometime later only for them to look startled at the fact that they were lied to. Serves you right for believing crap.
I think EY seems to treat their staff the best. Followed by EK and then QR, who don't seem to like the idea that pilots exist, and just put up with them because they have to.
So to summarize:
Treatment of Pilots
1. EY
2. EK
3. QR
Upgrade (Normal Track):
1. QR
2. EY
3. EK
Location:
1. EK
2. EY (Some may argue that Abu Dhabi is better since rents are lower and Dubai is ultimately just one hour away, its subjective)
3. QR
Rosters:
1. QR/EY (Don't know really about EY but cannot be worse than EK)
2. EK
Assuming I give 3 points for first place, 1 point for second and no points for third,
EK: 5
QR: 6
EY: 8
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@Airmann Thank you for a detailed analysis of the situation. Things are a lot clearer now.
Treatment is very important if you plan on staying there for a long time I guess, but then again it might change. I am sure treatment of pilots at EK wasn't the same as it is today 7 years ago.
Treatment is very important if you plan on staying there for a long time I guess, but then again it might change. I am sure treatment of pilots at EK wasn't the same as it is today 7 years ago.
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Yes and there's one thing to always keep in mind... people leave a Management, not an Airline.
Your interviews are a great chance to evaluate those who are assessing you and whether you wish to work for them.
The tide has definitely turned and there are a huge number of positions going everywhere. What roster pattern also do you wish to work with? For me it is really a key question... no flight deck time limits but max duty limits; 8 hours max flight deck time; min rest overnights under "exemptions" or ULH overnight rests following stipulated rules. It makes a huge difference, so happy hunting and happy landings
Your interviews are a great chance to evaluate those who are assessing you and whether you wish to work for them.
The tide has definitely turned and there are a huge number of positions going everywhere. What roster pattern also do you wish to work with? For me it is really a key question... no flight deck time limits but max duty limits; 8 hours max flight deck time; min rest overnights under "exemptions" or ULH overnight rests following stipulated rules. It makes a huge difference, so happy hunting and happy landings
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Don't make career decision based on pprune. If you do, you deserve what you get. Travel to all cities and spend a day or two. Rosters and T&Cs change with demand. Good luck
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Anyone who puts QR first needs to see a head doctor... The treatment of staff there is far worse than anything that happens elsewhere in the Gulf. And that's saying something!!!
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The pay is much better at QR and the working hours are much less than at EK. That in itself is pretty good treatment.
I don't want to speak for White but he might be referring to Doha to live in. Keep in mind though that you could possibly upgrade in 2 years, 3 years max and make more money as a captain sooner. Meanwhile back at EK you will still be an FO after 8 plus years in Dubai. You better enjoy the lifestyle a whole lot all the while living on FO wages.
I don't want to speak for White but he might be referring to Doha to live in. Keep in mind though that you could possibly upgrade in 2 years, 3 years max and make more money as a captain sooner. Meanwhile back at EK you will still be an FO after 8 plus years in Dubai. You better enjoy the lifestyle a whole lot all the while living on FO wages.
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I am indeed mainly talking about Doha... I visited once and that was quite enough! Very expensive and the infrastructure lags far behind Dubai and Abu Dhabi... The few guys I know at QR would far rather be at EK; but then again, as we see from the posts and threads in this forum, the grass is ALWAYS greener!