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Old 25th Mar 2010, 07:15   #1 (permalink)
 
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Qatar Amiri Flight Recruitment

Maybe something for exhausted EK guys?

Quite certain they won't roster you for 90 hrs a month...

http://www.interpersonal.de/amiri
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Old 25th Mar 2010, 07:37   #2 (permalink)
 
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Depends if they are in pocession of a pair of white gloves.
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Old 25th Mar 2010, 18:31   #3 (permalink)
 
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What's the package?

Followed the link, but it provides no real details. Is this better pursued via PM??
Thanks,
SHR
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Old 25th Mar 2010, 18:53   #4 (permalink)
 
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If anyone has details please post or PM me.
Thanks
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Old 26th Mar 2010, 14:37   #5 (permalink)
 
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8000 hours total,1000 hours command on Airbus....it is all to find under the web side of www.interpersonal.de, they are doing the selection process.
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Old 26th Mar 2010, 15:32   #6 (permalink)
 
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Anyone has any info on the pay and days OFF or is it same T&C as Qatar Mainline. Thanks ..
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Old 27th Mar 2010, 05:56   #7 (permalink)
 
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I know. I can read too, but I was thinking for more of salary, accommodation and benefits, rosters.. anyone?
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Old 27th Mar 2010, 13:27   #8 (permalink)


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Here are some details of the package:

Basic monthly salary: 28,500 Qrs.
+ Nature of Duty Allowance: 20% of basic salary per month
+ Amiri Premium Allowance: 25% of basic salary per month
+ Fixed Flying Allowance: 8,400 Qrs.
+ Housing Allowance: 12,000 Qrs. or Company provided Housing
+ Transport Alowance: 1,500 Qrs

Other benefits:
Per diems
Medical insurance for whole family
Life insurance: 300,000 Qrs. for the employee
Loss of Licence: 100,000 USD
School fees for up to 80,000 Qrs annually for up to two kids
Annual leave tickets for whole family - First class - twice a year
42 days annual leave
12 hard days off per year
14 days annual sick leave on full pay plus 28 days annual sick leave on half pay; sick leave cannot be carried over
pilots will be "on call" 24/7 when you are not on either annual leave or a hard day off.

The Exchange Rate is fixed. ie : 1 USD = 3,64 Qrs.

Doesn`t sound too bad, if you ask me
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Old 27th Mar 2010, 15:55   #9 (permalink)
 
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No, for airbus its looks ok-ish, but to ask for 8000 hrs, 1000 on type and offering a package worth 13.000 euro, all incl, for the GLEX, on a 24/7 "on call" schedule its simply not enough I think.
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Old 27th Mar 2010, 16:12   #10 (permalink)
 
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Captain Prop, I agree with you. To ask that experience and for a VVIP Ops flying a big iron, IMHO isnīt too much.
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Old 27th Mar 2010, 16:23   #11 (permalink)
 
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A320 pilots are doing around 500 hours per year, other fleets slightly less.
Compound accommodation is 3/4 bedroom villas and is good quality (not so flash area but close to a major mall, Villagio, and to some British/American schools). The compound facilities are not yet finished but are scheduled to be done so by September, so pools, clubhouse, gym, restaurant etc will be available then.

There is no scope to commute because of the 24/7 standby, 311 days per year (365 less 42 days leave and 12 days off). No rosters, just wait for the sms, generally the day before a flight but occasionally a call to be at the airport in 1 hour. When told it's for one night, pack for a month as things are prone to change.

Destinations are varied, worldwide, including on the A320 fleet.

Morale is generally good, flight deck and cabin crew generally get on well.

It is (in my opinion) a good job. Doha itself has its moments, the traffic/drivers probably being the biggest headache for everyday life. Legal alcohol is available through the single liquor outlet, albeit a bit more expensive than you might expect. The supermarkets stock many western items. Carrefour is at a few of the malls. You can get Marks and Spencer chocolates at M&S! Most British and American Schools are of a good standard. Petrol is cheap at USD.25c per litre. Second hand cars can be very cheap because of the turnover of expatriates. Its hot, over 40 degress celsuis around 6 months of the year. It sits on 45 degrees most days in the area of the company compound. You get used to it. There is a Rugby Club nearby for some social interaction at a bar, while watching some live rugby (not a high standard but fun to watch). Garveys, while no longer a pub, is nearby and has a squash court, gym and old pool, as well as serving reasonably priced pub type food. Membership cost is quite low to use the facilities.

Good luck to those that apply.
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Old 27th Mar 2010, 16:36   #12 (permalink)
 
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CP and Harlem, you are both right. Unfortunately, the basis for the salary package was set a long time ago when the USD was stronger. Now with the weak USD (with the QAR being pegged to the USD), the package is not so good if you are currently being paid in Euros.

Bear in mind that for the GLEX pilots, you are one of six who is on 24/7 standby, not 1 of 2 or 3 that you might be with the operator that pays a lot of Euros. The legitimate tax free status also helps.

So at the end of the day, it may suit those who are currently being paid in USD and not so for the Euro guys.

However, it would certainly be nice for the package to be reviewed and improved!
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Old 27th Mar 2010, 17:56   #13 (permalink)
 
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Hey Amiri01,

Thank you for your great information you have shared. A few questions for you:

1. Are most pilots on their fleets already typed on those aircraft when hired (i.e., A320 type for A320 and CL300 type for that aircraft)?

2. Do the Amiri pilots get the option to transfer over to the airline if desired and vice versa?

3. Once you are hired onto one aircraf type, do you get the ability to bid other aircraft (i.e, from CL605 to the A320/A330) in the Amiri fleet?

4. What is the deal with the C-17s? Are they the most coveted aircraft in the fleet or is it viewed no differently than the other types? Personally, that would be my choice if ever given the option. But that's just me...

Cheers
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Old 27th Mar 2010, 19:01   #14 (permalink)
 
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I there ANY chance for an F.O. position with Amiri flight at this point? and if so what are the requirements?
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Old 27th Mar 2010, 19:42   #15 (permalink)
 
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I believe the intention is to take RATED CAPTAINS only. There will be no F/Os and this is supported by the statement on the recruiting agencies website.

The Amiri Flight has nothing to do with Qatar Airways, other than on a 3rd party provider basis. They are two totally separate entities so no transfer between either parties is possible.

The C17 is not part of the Amiri Flight operation.

Transfer between fleets within the Amiri Flight generally does not occur, but I believe the policy on this is not fixed. Given that the salary is identical, regardless of what aircraft you fly, there is no financial incentive to move fleets, nor would there be much company incentive to do so as it would be an unnecessary cost burden.

The CL300 and CL605 belong to Qatar Executive which is a commercial operation and is part of Qatar Airways and has nothing to do with the Amiri Flight.

The Amiri Flight is an entirely private operation. It is advertised as an "Airline" on the recruiting website, but it is purely a private operation.
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Old 27th Mar 2010, 22:48   #16 (permalink)
 
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Thank you

Dear Mckagel and Amiri 01,

Thank you both for the information.

Medical insurance for self and family:

Is it worldwide?

Up to what amounts?

Age limit coverage for children?(whereby after that age, they are no longer covered)

Dental?

School Fees:

80,000 for 2 kids? is that enough?

Per diems? Daily fixed rate at outstation? How much is it or varies for destination? Paid up front at hotel or end of the month in salary?

Standard of hotels at destinations?

Staff travel?

Any good golf clubs around? Expensive?

Thank you for your replies in advance.

Cheers

Check 'Six'
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Old 2nd Apr 2010, 10:27   #17 (permalink)
 
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Thanks Mckagel, Amiri01

Have they started calling job applicants?
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Old 11th Apr 2010, 23:32   #18 (permalink)
 
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Anyone had any response at all from Interpersonal? Are the positions still open?
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Old 13th Apr 2010, 14:25   #19 (permalink)
 
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Amiri01

Can life be planned at all or do you lead one life and your family plan things with the view that you might disappear at any moment?

If all the aircraft are out of State, does that mean you are 'off call' and can kick back until one returns?
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Old 13th Apr 2010, 16:14   #20 (permalink)
 
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Moonchaser,

You certainly make plans with the family, but there is always the possibility that you might not be there on the day. It is part and parcel of the life here but everyone is used to it so I never hear anyone complaining. Friends understand that you might have to pull the plug on an engagement at late notice.

As you say, the only time you are fairly safe is when all the jets in your fleet are out of country. You can then feel fairly comfortable with taking a drive into the dunes or across the other side of the country (only an hour away anyway).

A lot of staff still take their chances and pop down to the inland sea anyway and I haven't heard of anyone getting caught out. Likewise with having a beer in the evening. Technically, you are still on call so having an ale over dinner presents a small risk. That said, not that many short notice calls come up.

If people reading this want a roster and known days off, don't bother applying as you won't like it here.

If you don't mind being on call 24/7 and enjoy the spontaneity of new and varied destinations, with a fairly low annual flying rate, then consider it.

If you come, don't expect a perfect operation. The split from Qatar Airways last year removed some of the shackles on the operation, but it is taking time to implement the improvements that everyone was anticipating. There is still a way to go and whatever skills and expertise that come with new hires would be welcome.

It will suit some and not others. Horses for courses as they say. Bear in mind that the customs and cultures of the region apply to this operation, as to any other, so a measure of patience is needed. If you get frustrated or angry easily, this region may not suit.

Going back to some of Check Sixes questions, the medical insurance for family is quite comprehensive and most of us consider it adequate. It does not cover the USA, except as transients. It does not cover dental nor maternity, but having a child in the local system is not too expensive. I believe that children are covered up until their 18th birthday.

School fees (QAR80,000 for 2 kids) is adequate for 2 primary school children, but won't cover 2 x secondary school students at the typical expat schools (The American School of Doha, Doha College, Park House School, Doha English Speaking School). Check their websites, all the fees are listed so you can see for yourself. There can be problems getting kids into the school you want as positions are limited. That said, the American and British schools are of a good standard so don't worry about that aspect.

Per diems are paid on the first sector ex-Doha and are adequate. Hotels are generally good, with the occasional let-down.

There are no staff travel benefits at all as we are a private operation with no commercial benefits to reciprocate to airlines.

The Golf Club in Doha is popular with another course to be built in the near future. I don't know about membership costs but visitor fees are around USD100ish (I believe) for a round. The Rugby Club is popular (for the booze as much as anything else) and the social games are fun to be a part of or watch.

I don't know whether applicants have been contacted yet but we need people very soon so I would anticipate things will happen soon.

I hope this helps.

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