touk

I agree with you Jack...

how do we start a private Gulf Air forum within PPRuNe moderator??

brassplate

why bother with a 'gulf air' forum? we ain't big or influential enough. this thread will suffice as it's generic.
speaking about growth, why should gf be growing when our neighbours are treading carefully in light of present world circumstances? is gf nuts? you guys seen the drastic drop in loads lately? more ways to bleed more money.

condorbaaz

Che
in the 330, you need to keep the fire test pressed, cancel the warning, and check the wx on ecam for eng 2 bcoz one button checks fire wx for both engines..

ergo in a multi fleet it nay be standardised for type viz airbus

Regards

Che Guevara

condorbaaz

Thank you for your input, are you sure about what you said though, because FCOM 3.03.06 specifically does not mention cancelling the warning....hmmm, must be Airbus again..
By the way you had us confused with wx......didn't that used to mean weather?

Chao

Albergineman

There are at least two misunderstood concepts regarding engine fire test in the Airbus:
First:
On the A320 series, each engine fire system has its own fire test pushbutton. On the A330/A340 series there is only one engine fire test pushbutton that perform the test simultaneously on all engines.
Second:
Pressing the Master Warning light during the test does not have any effect and it is not part of the procedure at all. There are cases of serious misunderstanding specially on the A340, where pilots and even engineers (!) press the master warning light four times (!) believing that doing this they are “testing all four fire system”.
All this information you can find on the respective FCOM 1 chapter and FCOM 3 SOP.

daidalos

Albergineman, you're right about the FCOM. And since you seem very knowledgeable about procedures, any idea why if you keep pressed the fire warning, the audio and visual warning, in the A340, is repeated 4 times?

Che Guevara

Because you have just tested the entire system 4 times perhaps...

Assuming the FCOM is correct, then all four systems are tested simultaneously when you press the pushbutton just once. Nowhere does it state that you need to cancel the warning and then press again etc. If I am wrong, or indeed Airbus is wrong, perhaps we should have the FCOM amended.

Guys can we move on to the 777 wet lease perhaps..

condorbaaz

or the kingfisher lease perhaps...


BTW, pressing the Master warning only stops then CRC, as we all know and probablr keeps a quieter cockpit while you chechk the ecam memeo for eng 2(3)(4)

Thanks che, wx corrected in previous post

Albergineman

That’s it guys!
While performing this test you can see the Eng1 Fire ECAM action on the left side of the upper ECAM screen and ENG2, ENG3 and ENG4 Fire memo on the right side of the same screen. This is one of the signs that all the system is been checked simultaneously.
About the Jet Airways’s B777 I can guess they will come under wet lease agreement at the beginning and hopefully, in the later stage, become part of the GF fleet!!!

Instinct

I'm getting the impression that people are either on the 330/340 or on the 320-series.
Is there, or do you think there will be, any possibility of flying mixed fleet in GF?

Thanks

Che Guevara

Yes, we fly both 330 and 340 at the moment...I assume that is mixed fleet flying is it?

If you are referring to the 320, the flight instructors fly 320/330.

Instinct

Thanks Che,

Sorry for being unclear, I meant 320/330, i.e. short/medium/long haul. I know what I wanted to know now though, so thanks for that!

All the best

Capt Hair Y Balls

........and who knows they may just throw in Mr Hameed Ali as an added bonus

ShirleyNot

Doesn't Jet have the 777-300ER? Why oh why would GF need such an aircraft? Yes wouldn't we all like to fly such a machine, but it makes absolutly no sense with the present route structure. The a/c is built for ULH, GF is a medium haul airline. If they bring this a/c it shows yet more poor decision making from our lack of planning department. As for Manila and Shang, they can be nicely covered by A330s.

Che Guevara

and would the 330 make JFK with a full load, or back from Manilla in the winter months now that you mention it?

ShirleyNot

JFK? Full load? this is PPRuNe I suppose.

Che Guevara

Mine was a question mate, nothing to do with PPRuNe or whatever....

boiler

There is no way the GF 330 can make SHA of MNL (unless it makes a tech stop). It would probably upgrade some destinations (like MNL, LON, BKK, etc..) to better services esp. those using the old A340s.

MaffiFaloos

Garbage. The 330 will go anywhere GF wants to go with ease

Albergineman

I think we should disregard the B777 I had mentioned before. A330 is the best option for GF, obviously.
We should consider that these wet leased aircraft could allow GF to send some of the A330/A340 for some heavy maintenance they really deserve.