Wizzfoz... dubai property market and kite surfing is what is keeping me.
Fatboy... you need new reading glasses. I wasnt saying I WANT LLC. I was commenting on we already are paid LLC wages. Get it now?
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Sharjah or Dubai
not a big difference Sharjah is 15 KMs away from Dubai at peak times u can take it at 01:30 mins drive
at normal u can take it in 20 mins Maximum
the only difference would be no alcoholics at Sharjah
and prices are abit less than dubai
Why does Fly Dubai have the 500PIC requirment for F/O. Why is this ex Skybus, Southwest guy putting the restrictions higher than EK. Is he targeting all his friends from Skybus, Aloha and all the Regional Barbie Trainer Jet Captains and discrimanting against High time jet experienced F/o with international experience.
This is the only non us carrier in the world requiring 500PIC jet for F/O. In my opinion he is targeting only American Pilots. Only in the US does this practice exist.
Why does Fly Dubai have the 500PIC requirment for F/O. Why is this ex Skybus, Southwest guy putting the restrictions higher than EK. Is he targeting all his friends from Skybus, Aloha and all the Regional Barbie Trainer Jet Captains and discrimanting against High time jet experienced F/o with international experience.
This is the only non us carrier in the world requiring 500PIC jet for F/O. In my opinion he is targeting only American Pilots. Only in the US does this practice exist.
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its obvious that they anticipate a fast upgrade program rather than hiring more DEC's...something they should be commended for
those poor bastards flying barbie jet captain make more command decisions in one month than a "highly experienced international FO" makes in a decade
Does anybody really think that a current and qualified Capt on a jet is gonna do a right seat at Fly Dubai. Unless your from a cucaracha country, or a US regional jet wonder pilot it isnt gonna happen. Somebody should tell mr COO that he isnt in Alabama anymore and should look at the requirements for F/O inthe rest of the universe.
No, part of the original LCC model (Southwest, easyJet, Ryanair) was to pay staff well, in order to attract and retain them
Some staff in LCCs get paid well, basically the highly skilled and difficult to replace ones such as pilots. Salaries are comparable to full service airlines but lack the standard extras such as loss of licence, pension etc, and they work harder for it.
Cabin and ground crew terms are quite poor and result in high turnover, but obviously this works out for LCCs financially, vs higher pay and lower turnover.
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those poor bastards flying barbie jet captain make more command decisions in one month than a "highly experienced international FO" makes in a decade
... maybe that's why the incident rate of barbie jets is higher than on the big stuff ...
Yeah we ball 'em up two or three times a day. Sometimes more...
The best way to find out is to apply. All the requirements are on the website as well as the application process. If you don't meet the requirements then you probably will not be called. However, you can apply anyway and see what happens. It's all about supply and demand.
So far per fellow pprunners they don't seem to have called anyone as yet other than the initial cadre of management pilots who are probably on property.
Having been eagerly awaiting the release of the FlyD' package for some time, wasn't at all surprised to see they'd trimmed some loss-making edges from the Emirates package, which, I personally do not see aiding the recruiting process.
Housing:
Opening todays Gulf News,I see an advanced payment of Aed190K p.a. will get you into the entry-level,2bdrm Springs Villa; Aed300K for the 3bdrm. This is about as basic as it gets for decent "Villa" accomodation. If apartments is more your thing, let's take the "Greens" complex as a market base; 1bdrm-Aed140K,2bdrm-200K,3bdrm-270K+..you get the trend here I'm sure.
So where initially I had thought the Aed192K p.a. being offered was generous,indeed the highest in among Gulf carriers that I know of, it's not going to do the job it was meant to if you have, or plan to have a family..baring in mind also that these are only today's prices. Who knows by the time they actually start to operate.
I'm sure the fact that there's no option for company housing is very deliberate .Alot of Emitate's Pilot's accomodation (Villas at least..),procured previously is of a very high standard,and would set an individual back in excess of 400K+ at least at today's rates.
Purely speculation here, but I don't suppose many if any are opting for the housing allowance in lieu unless they are in a mortgaged accomodation of their own and don't mind topping up any difference.
So in my humble opinion, joiners look to be paying an ever-increasing chunk of your remaining chunk to maintain the same roof over your head that you had before. At some point, in the very near future, this fugure will have to be reviewed, paid in advance and increased annually without doubt,(..come to think of it, just as all carriers will have to..), or that option of company housing will have to be "inked" into the contract and filed under Airline "operating costs"!
Transport:
Aed4000.In Dubai,..would prefere to get picked up and dropped off while I sleep in the back of an Audi though!
Otherwise, lost of potential. Definately food for thought for those hating long-haul and loving being at home at night.Like me..!
The FlyD major shortcoming is the housing allowance. For someone with 2-3 kids relocating, they would need a 3 bedroom apartment/villa. From the looks of it the allowance is short by around 60,000 AED. Plus if FlyD does not assist in the deposit bond required (6-12 months rent) I doubt that there will be many takers. I for sure don't have that kind of cash laying around to be put to use as a deposit.
Next point, the training bond of USD 24,000 for 3 years. If they are hiring current/qualified Capts why require a bond? Hopefully, the bond is one that decreases with time served with the company. It's not so much that one is planning to leave the company, but what if you have to due to a family illness or other situation back in your home country. There should be provisions for a true hardship case.
Educational allowance. If the allowance is AED 30,000 per family as opposed to per child then you are going to be paying out the a** for school costs. Cost is around 30,000-45,000 per year per child plus deposits etc. Some deposits (American schools especially) are very steep!
Car allowance--I would much rather give up the allowance for a pick-up/drop-off instead. Keep my sanity in the process.
No retirement/provident fund. If one is going to have to dip into the base salary for a)rent b)educational expenses etc etc. there is not going to be much left over for savings!
I guess if you don't have anything else going on then it is worth applying for. For those who have similat T&C at other airlines, crunching the numbers will reveal not much advantage, financially.
Big plus, however is being at a new airline at the ground level with tremendous potential and solid financial backing.
Has anyone heard from FlyD after applying? When are they going to start screening? Is it going to be the EK Screening process?
Most international High Schools are in the range of AED 50 000 per annum (the American ones even more).
Check their websites for more details.
(Google: Emirates International School, Dubai College, Jumeirah College, American School of Dubai, Dubai American Academy, English College Dubai, Dubai International Academy...)
Flydubai will interview on September 30th a two day process. Airfare, hotel and meals are to be provided. Thats all I know for now. Stay tuned.
I've heard a lot of chatter on this board about paying 6 months to a year in advance for rental property. Is this a down payment followed by monthly rent or an advance paid once a year? Either way it seems a guy has got to have an initial outlay of 50-90k dollars....ouch
Also keep inmind that they said the pay was based on 80 hours /month and at first you may not reach 80 /m while the operation gets started, IE lower pay at first.
I would ask if there is employee parking, where it is and how much would it cost. Nothing, repeat nothing, is free in dubai.
Was there anything about staff travel on EK, it is said to be a different company.
As for schools, I hear there is still lots of room at Gems World School
Why would a pilot with 500 PIC on type, apply for an F/O position to them, while next door LCC takes scare bus drivers with a min 800 hrs PIC as DEC (non rated)!! making about 59,000/m take home!
this strategy would only cater for the already job-less pilots in the North of the globe!
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