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Old 25th Aug 2008, 12:41   #41 (permalink)
 
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Payscale - pot calling the kettle black regarding reading glasses
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Old 25th Aug 2008, 12:46   #42 (permalink)
 
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Is that a riddle.....?

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Old 26th Aug 2008, 02:34   #43 (permalink)
 
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Sharjah or Dubai
not a big difference Sharjah is 15 KMs away from Dubai at peak times u can take it at 01:30 mins drive
at normal u can take it in 20 mins Maximum
the only difference would be no alcoholics at Sharjah
and prices are abit less than dubai

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Old 26th Aug 2008, 07:02   #44 (permalink)
 
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Why does Fly Dubai have the 500PIC requirment for F/O. Why is this ex Skybus, Southwest guy putting the restrictions higher than EK. Is he targeting all his friends from Skybus, Aloha and all the Regional Barbie Trainer Jet Captains and discrimanting against High time jet experienced F/o with international experience.
This is the only non us carrier in the world requiring 500PIC jet for F/O. In my opinion he is targeting only American Pilots. Only in the US does this practice exist.
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Old 26th Aug 2008, 07:20   #45 (permalink)
 
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Maybew they are looking at the obvious need to upgrade FO's quickly, due initial expansion..
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Old 26th Aug 2008, 08:50   #46 (permalink)
 
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Why does Fly Dubai have the 500PIC requirment for F/O. Why is this ex Skybus, Southwest guy putting the restrictions higher than EK. Is he targeting all his friends from Skybus, Aloha and all the Regional Barbie Trainer Jet Captains and discrimanting against High time jet experienced F/o with international experience.
This is the only non us carrier in the world requiring 500PIC jet for F/O. In my opinion he is targeting only American Pilots. Only in the US does this practice exist.

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its obvious that they anticipate a fast upgrade program rather than hiring more DEC's...something they should be commended for

those poor bastards flying barbie jet captain make more command decisions in one month than a "highly experienced international FO" makes in a decade
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Old 26th Aug 2008, 09:28   #47 (permalink)
 
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those poor bastards flying barbie jet captain make more command decisions in one month than a "highly experienced international FO" makes in a decade
... maybe that's why the incident rate of barbie jets is higher than on the big stuff ...
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Old 26th Aug 2008, 10:11   #48 (permalink)
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The 500 hours PIC is because they expect fast upgrades and want people with previous Capt time.
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Old 26th Aug 2008, 16:03   #49 (permalink)
 
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Does anybody really think that a current and qualified Capt on a jet is gonna do a right seat at Fly Dubai. Unless your from a cucaracha country, or a US regional jet wonder pilot it isnt gonna happen. Somebody should tell mr COO that he isnt in Alabama anymore and should look at the requirements for F/O inthe rest of the universe.
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Old 27th Aug 2008, 01:34   #50 (permalink)
 
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No, part of the original LCC model (Southwest, easyJet, Ryanair) was to pay staff well, in order to attract and retain them
Some staff in LCCs get paid well, basically the highly skilled and difficult to replace ones such as pilots. Salaries are comparable to full service airlines but lack the standard extras such as loss of licence, pension etc, and they work harder for it.

Cabin and ground crew terms are quite poor and result in high turnover, but obviously this works out for LCCs financially, vs higher pay and lower turnover.
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Old 27th Aug 2008, 17:12   #51 (permalink)
 
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those poor bastards flying barbie jet captain make more command decisions in one month than a "highly experienced international FO" makes in a decade
... maybe that's why the incident rate of barbie jets is higher than on the big stuff ...
Yeah we ball 'em up two or three times a day. Sometimes more...
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Old 28th Aug 2008, 04:26   #52 (permalink)
 
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The best way to find out is to apply. All the requirements are on the website as well as the application process. If you don't meet the requirements then you probably will not be called. However, you can apply anyway and see what happens. It's all about supply and demand.

So far per fellow pprunners they don't seem to have called anyone as yet other than the initial cadre of management pilots who are probably on property.
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Old 28th Aug 2008, 08:36   #53 (permalink)
 
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Having been eagerly awaiting the release of the FlyD' package for some time, wasn't at all surprised to see they'd trimmed some loss-making edges from the Emirates package, which, I personally do not see aiding the recruiting process.
Housing:
Opening todays Gulf News,I see an advanced payment of Aed190K p.a. will get you into the entry-level,2bdrm Springs Villa; Aed300K for the 3bdrm. This is about as basic as it gets for decent "Villa" accomodation. If apartments is more your thing, let's take the "Greens" complex as a market base; 1bdrm-Aed140K,2bdrm-200K,3bdrm-270K+..you get the trend here I'm sure.
So where initially I had thought the Aed192K p.a. being offered was generous,indeed the highest in among Gulf carriers that I know of, it's not going to do the job it was meant to if you have, or plan to have a family..baring in mind also that these are only today's prices. Who knows by the time they actually start to operate.
I'm sure the fact that there's no option for company housing is very deliberate .Alot of Emitate's Pilot's accomodation (Villas at least..),procured previously is of a very high standard,and would set an individual back in excess of 400K+ at least at today's rates.
Purely speculation here, but I don't suppose many if any are opting for the housing allowance in lieu unless they are in a mortgaged accomodation of their own and don't mind topping up any difference.
So in my humble opinion, joiners look to be paying an ever-increasing chunk of your remaining chunk to maintain the same roof over your head that you had before. At some point, in the very near future, this fugure will have to be reviewed, paid in advance and increased annually without doubt,(..come to think of it, just as all carriers will have to..), or that option of company housing will have to be "inked" into the contract and filed under Airline "operating costs"!
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Aed4000.In Dubai,..would prefere to get picked up and dropped off while I sleep in the back of an Audi though!

Otherwise, lost of potential. Definately food for thought for those hating long-haul and loving being at home at night.Like me..!
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Old 29th Aug 2008, 03:52   #54 (permalink)
 
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The FlyD major shortcoming is the housing allowance. For someone with 2-3 kids relocating, they would need a 3 bedroom apartment/villa. From the looks of it the allowance is short by around 60,000 AED. Plus if FlyD does not assist in the deposit bond required (6-12 months rent) I doubt that there will be many takers. I for sure don't have that kind of cash laying around to be put to use as a deposit.

Next point, the training bond of USD 24,000 for 3 years. If they are hiring current/qualified Capts why require a bond? Hopefully, the bond is one that decreases with time served with the company. It's not so much that one is planning to leave the company, but what if you have to due to a family illness or other situation back in your home country. There should be provisions for a true hardship case.

Educational allowance. If the allowance is AED 30,000 per family as opposed to per child then you are going to be paying out the a** for school costs. Cost is around 30,000-45,000 per year per child plus deposits etc. Some deposits (American schools especially) are very steep!

Car allowance--I would much rather give up the allowance for a pick-up/drop-off instead. Keep my sanity in the process.

No retirement/provident fund. If one is going to have to dip into the base salary for a)rent b)educational expenses etc etc. there is not going to be much left over for savings!

I guess if you don't have anything else going on then it is worth applying for. For those who have similat T&C at other airlines, crunching the numbers will reveal not much advantage, financially.

Big plus, however is being at a new airline at the ground level with tremendous potential and solid financial backing.

Has anyone heard from FlyD after applying? When are they going to start screening? Is it going to be the EK Screening process?
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Old 29th Aug 2008, 14:31   #55 (permalink)
 
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flydubai interview end of September

Flydubai will interview on September 30th a two day process. Airfare, hotel and meals are to be provided. Thats all I know for now. Stay tuned.

I've heard a lot of chatter on this board about paying 6 months to a year in advance for rental property. Is this a down payment followed by monthly rent or an advance paid once a year? Either way it seems a guy has got to have an initial outlay of 50-90k dollars....ouch
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Old 29th Aug 2008, 17:06   #56 (permalink)
 
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Also keep inmind that they said the pay was based on 80 hours /month and at first you may not reach 80 /m while the operation gets started, IE lower pay at first.
I would ask if there is employee parking, where it is and how much would it cost. Nothing, repeat nothing, is free in dubai.
Was there anything about staff travel on EK, it is said to be a different company.
As for schools, I hear there is still lots of room at Gems World School
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Old 29th Aug 2008, 18:46   #57 (permalink)
 
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Fly Dubai F/O

Why would a pilot with 500 PIC on type, apply for an F/O position to them, while next door LCC takes scare bus drivers with a min 800 hrs PIC as DEC (non rated)!! making about 59,000/m take home!
this strategy would only cater for the already job-less pilots in the North of the globe!
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Old 29th Aug 2008, 19:53   #58 (permalink)
 
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LCC next door ? Which one ?
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Old 30th Aug 2008, 10:21   #59 (permalink)
 
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Try Air Arabia in Sharjah
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Old 31st Aug 2008, 04:38   #60 (permalink)
 
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buying and living in your appartment?

.... was just thinking that why doesnt one think of putting some down payment and taking a loan in dubai and buy an appartment to live while flying for flydubai??? Rate of interest is somewhat around 7 percent... and a decent house in marina (1000-1400) 2BHK costs around 2mill dhiram (which is fine for a young couple with no kids or 1 small kid). so if someone can put a downpayment of half a million dhirams, then one can pay about 16000 dhirams P.M. as emi for the home loan, and whenever one wants to pull out of dubai in say 3-6 years, he can sell it off and carry his riches home

now now... i know its an ideal world case, and most ppruners would be smart to think like that, but i just wanna know the glitch here.... where is the catch??? cuz i somehow know there is a catch somewhere...

some potential glitches:
a) you lease the property for 99 years..... so what?? you're only investing.
b) the property market is gonna crash..... but whatever the king has done has worked till now, from the airline to the various projects,has worked well. And even if the bubble bursts, i fail to accept that one will sell after 3-6 years at a depreciated price..and even if you do, well it was as it is your HRA....
c) inflation of rentals.....if you have bought your residence...it does guard against price rise in real estate rentals.... now you WANT the prices to rise

p.s. i dont live in dubai... this is just some numbers i could pull off the net... someone suggested me bhomes.com as a great site for home hunting... and also checked a couple of bank sites for interest rate numbers. so if you have any other accurate numbers.. feel free to reply!
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