Forum Newbie said
......"I made up my mind a few months ago but had many friends who studied for the interview, took time off, made the trip with their wife and kids, did well in the interview, went back home and waited, got the offer letter and told to wait, waited, waited, and waited,...and then told that they were not selected. I sincerely hope that noone from hr had to go through the ups and downs of so many that not only told their families about their career progression, but now has to re-explain why they are no longer qualified."
Very well put FN, That is exactly how it's been with my family. It was very difficult telling my young children they wouldn't be going to have the fantastic adventure I'd promised them in Dubai, it's also very humiliating having to answer the "I thought you were going to Emirates " statement. Some people of course were delighted at my apparent failure.
I know of several fellow Poolies that did not receive the EK re-apply email yesterday, so they are still going through this.
Thanks for all the advice guys, dont think I dont appreciate them and Im not ignoring the warnings, but I stand to what I said and here are the facts:
I make $56000 a year after taxes and I have to pay for everything including housing, education and medical which are all the most expensive in the region.
Benefits?...yeah, I have a 10% discount at the gym. Im treated like a number, cant choose my roster and it can be almost completely modified, so no much planing in your personal life here. In our off days, we get "invited" to meetings with management, classes of diferent sort or even called to fly because "theres no one else". Although its illegal, I couldnt take a single day of vacation in more than 2 years and then, all of a sudden, they forced me to take 15 days and I couldnt even choose the date! -"after this flight, your on vacation"-
The city is one of the most contaminated ones in the world, Im afraid of living in a house because crime runs rampant here, so we had to rent an apartment with private security... oh, did I mention that I was "indefinitely unfit for command" because I was in EKs successful pool?...yes, those were their exact words.
So my friends, you are not at the bottom of the food chain. The third world is big and has many faces.
Flaite - well done on your success with EK. The people on this website who try to warn everyone against joining constitute probably .01% of the pilot workforce. In EK you will be getting good training and flying shiny new aircraft. Dubai itself is 'different' but I do know a lot of people happy as pigs there.
The conditions at EK aren't bad comapred to alot of other places..what has stung lately is the large number of changes for the worse that have been implemented in the last 6 months.
The real issue is one of security...the way EK runs the show here you never know when you'll find yourself fired..could be for something minor that they just don't like and they happen to have a surplus of pilots at the moment and want to make an example, maybe in your first 6 months during training..maybe just after your kid starts school, or maybe just after your wife is pregnant...never know. Then you find yourself and your family a long way from home and trying to figure out what happens next. It's the sense of permanence that is lacking badly.
EK job is ok. Company ok but run by idiots on the ops level, most have minimal qualifications for what they do. They are here for the ride and everything is done for themselves and the immediate future. None have any long term commitment or conviction. They lie and self justify.
This has produced a severe degradation in the job quality. On a score against other airlines they slip continuously so whatever the conditions are when you get here, understand they will get worse.
Dubai is a mess. I cannot stand the place and a lot of the people. The multicultural spin is hogwash. Peasants are peasants where ever they originate. Prepare to deal with many imbeciles and incompetents. Calling it an emerging market is polite. It is the third world.
Most want to make their money and get out. The city brings out the worst in people as it makes little attempt to provide a feeling of belonging or community. It is a glorified labour camp.
The UAE is a place of considerable risk in some respects, understand there is little law and a great deal of injustice. Many new reports on that. They are true.
Yes it is employment. However, expect nothing, always be in a position to leave at short notice. Get you money straight out. If you have family make this perfectly clear at the outset. It is not home, it is not the ideal place for a family or kids. A good time can be had but the music will stop.
Yes, I did. Also got a letter last week telling me if I'd like to continue in the pool I would have to come back on my own dime and reinterview. I turned it down. What did you do, Shaft? Others?
I did not get a letter. I think they know who i am but i could care less. After everything that emirates put the poolies through, now they are offering a second interview!!!
Wait, it gets better...emirates is going to reinterview you but you have to pay your own way now. How cheap can this company get?
Let this be a blessing in disguise gents, you just saved your marriage and heaps of anxiety.
forum newbie, applicants always had to pay their own way to interviews with EK until a (very) few years ago when the applicants, to put it simply, stopped applying.
Now that there's a glut of pilots on the market again, they've very quickly reverted to their old system of never spending a Dirham that doesn't need to be spent. At the risk of causing enormous offence to some, I'd say the second interview requirement is mute testimony to the fact that with the current glut of applicants in the market, EK has also been able to revert to interviewing applicants with the experience levels they traditionally took until a very few years ago.
It's an indisputable fact that over the last few years, thanks to the then dearth of suitably experienced pilots on the market, EK was forced to take on pilots - both FOs and DECs - who before then wouldn't have even been picked for an initial interview.
I'm not discussing ability here, but simply previous experience.
The big question is - with the new 'lean and mean/slash and burn' approach to pilots that the EK mnagement has adopted over the last 12 months, even in the current terrible worldwide economic situation, whether they'll be able to attract sufficient numbers of those more experienced pilots? My guess is that they will, because despite all the warnings from those already slaving at the coalface, pilots looking for a job traditionally hear only what they want hear and don't start bitching until after they've got their own feet firmly placed under the table.
If you guys applying at EK are frustrated with the way you are treated by recruitment (i.e. Waiting for months, no updates, no answer, constant changes, pay or not your ticket.......).
I think Wiley's got the situation pegged to a 't'.
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My guess is that they will, (have no trouble filling the spots), because despite all the warnings from those already slaving at the coalface, pilots looking for a job traditionally hear only what they want hear and don't start bitching until after they've got their own feet firmly placed under the table.
And as others have said before me, bitch you will.
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