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Old 13th Jan 2012, 00:08   #1561 (permalink)
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Abu Dhabi
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Good luck if you want to relocate here to Etihad - you must be really desperate ! For starters, the management just change your working conditions and contracts without warning, there is NO roster stability here at all. We have this new roster request system, which is an absolute disaster. None of us pilots get what we request.

The company also has a very sneeky way of paying overtime, they average it out over 2 months i.e. Jan & Feb, Mar & April etc. This allows
the airline to flog you one month, and then do an average month the next or vice versa, and not pay you any overtime. eg Jan roster 92 hours, Feb roster 55 hours, totalling 147 hours over the 2 month period. Overtime is paid after 150 hours for the 2 month period. Similarly, if you have 2 weeks leave during the month, then they flog you for max hours in the other 2 weeks.

I don't know if you have any children, but the school fees are outrageous here in Abu Dhabi. There has been no increase in the school fee allowance for nearly 4 years, yet the school fees go up almost every year.

Another scham is a thing they call the pay-for-performance review.
This is now how you obtain a payrise. It's just another way of not giving the pilots a decent payrise. Initially the first pilots to join Etihad were on a different contract, and they had their contract changed because the management said it was 'unfair' for pilots to be on different contracts !

Then they bring in this new performance pay review and some pilots received a 2% increase, some a 6% increase and some got no increase at all. Now it seems that it is fair that for pilots to be on different contracts, of course this is after they have reduced the terms and conditions of this initial joiners to Etihad.

You can make up your own mind my friend, but think very seriously before you commit to this outfit. They even bond you when you join - regardless of the fact that you have the type rating already. The bond - $20,000 USD for type rated pilots, and $33,000 USD for non-type rated pilots.

Good luck buddy !
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Old 15th Jan 2012, 21:58   #1562 (permalink)
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: North Korea
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As a veteran of EY I'd like to comment on Camelboys post..

You hit the nail on the head!

This outfit has a lot to learn.. if it wants to learn....

Go to EK.. at least they pay for deadheading, you only need one car because they provide transport to and from work so you save the other car loan etc etc etc...
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Old 24th Jan 2012, 00:39   #1563 (permalink)
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Mars
Age: 36
Posts: 19
Went to the EY roadshow today. Very nice presentation and all that stuff we already know. They said they are looking for different type rated guys, but specially for B777 type rated F/O's. The captain performing the presentation said that the upgrade for a new joiner on this position should occur in the next 4 years, on the Boeing fleet (777 or 787). Considering the deliveries schedule (12 777's and 41 787's ordered, don't know when it will be operating), and the currently Boeing operating fleet (9 777's), do you guys think it's realistic?
I remember I've read somewhere (another forum maybe) months ago that all the new upgrades at EY would be done on the A320 fleet only. Now I became confused! Who's right? Any fella to spot some light on that matter and share some info?
Another interesting information from them: 1300 new joiners planned for the next 6 years.

Nice and safe flights!

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Old 24th Jan 2012, 01:24   #1564 (permalink)
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Europe
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If I had significant Boeing time, I would tell EY I want 777 (with potential transfer to 787 fleet when it arrives) or no dice. If no dice, go to EK or QR and move on. EK is growing so fast that EY has to offer better equipment to people with solid experience. QR is desparate for pilots too with their attrition and they will be expanding their 777/787 fleets as well. EY will have to compete for the talent (compensation, QOL, schedules and aircraft types) or find themselves short. That's the reality now in the Gulf.......... Time for EY management to wake up and smell the coffee.
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Old 24th Jan 2012, 05:02   #1565 (permalink)
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So EY requires a type which means absolutely nothing in real terms, but EK doesnt require a type?

So let me understand this.. a pilot with thousands of hours on non-Boeing/Airbus widebody civilian & military is ignored- even though they will be typed in initial training - but a guy meeting the mins gets the gig with only a few hundred hours because he is typed?

The mind boggles
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Old 24th Jan 2012, 05:04   #1566 (permalink)
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Sydney
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latest info is that 777 upgrades will shortly come to a halt (even though some are happening as we speak) My opinion is, that this is to keep everyone happy in terms of career progression. 320 upgrades continuing

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Old 24th Jan 2012, 05:06   #1567 (permalink)
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A current type rating puts less pressure on the training department, as less sim sessions required.

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Old 24th Jan 2012, 12:39   #1568 (permalink)
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There's one more thing that you have to think about...FO's are PF only on category A airports that means not flying 95% of the outbound legs of the 320 network.If you are low houred that's ok but if you have experience and you are willing to keep learning it could be an issue.Fo's cannot start the engines,taxi the aircraft and fly to more interesting airports...I find it insulting but rules are rules.Other than that working environment is excellent really good people to fly and work with everywhere
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Old 24th Jan 2012, 13:11   #1569 (permalink)
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Location: Cloud Cuckoo
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agreed with Aviator3200..but I hear that the CAT B airport fiasco is about to be dropped. It's a ridiculous rule - you fly with new captains that have never been to certain airports before but, if you've been a million times, you ae "not suitable" to land there...

Assymetric..the 777 upgrades will be coming to a halt but only because no more FO's have the minimum 5500hrs total time / or 18months / or 700hrs on type...It has to change soon, either drop the hours or up the package to attract DEC.
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Old 24th Jan 2012, 13:37   #1570 (permalink)
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FO's are PF only on category A
unless the cpt is a tri/tre
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Old 24th Jan 2012, 16:04   #1571 (permalink)
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Hi there guys.. I've heard a rumour that EY is going to open their International Cadet Programme again, can someone confirm this??
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Old 24th Jan 2012, 16:19   #1572 (permalink)
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Mars
Age: 36
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What they told during the roadshow is that airbus guys will continue flying airbus and boeing guys will continue flying boeing when the upgrade come, because of the training double costs it would have to change fleets. The minimums are a little bit different to be upgraded on the narrow (4500TT) or widebody (5500 TT) fleet.
My question is about the time to command. With all these acft's to be delivered, do you really think that the upgrade will be in the next 4 years for a new joiner with experience? Is this time at EY definitely lower than at EK?
For me, this is the key to opt for an expat life.

Appreciate any help from you guys living in the ME, or with friends in this situation.

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Old 28th Jan 2012, 18:23   #1573 (permalink)
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Location: Portugal
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Hey guys!

Is Etihad interviewing right now? Anyone got called for assessment?
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Old 28th Jan 2012, 20:53   #1574 (permalink)
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Rated guys for 777, followed by unrated. Some guys in suits recently so I assume they are taking on for the airbus as well.
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Old 28th Jan 2012, 21:17   #1575 (permalink)
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Thank you Nearly
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Old 29th Jan 2012, 09:41   #1576 (permalink)
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According to Flight International jobs Etihad are hiring both F/O and Captain onto the B777.
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Old 29th Jan 2012, 16:31   #1577 (permalink)
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Few Mexicans and some Greek Airbus dribbling in. I think these guys were sent down the SZ road from Emirates.
Four sets of 20 joiners since Oct. 16 Airbus guys and 4 777 in each batch.
They will be happy to get an application from you and the recruitment guys are a friendly bunch.
However, it's up to you to decide if EY is in anyway better than joining EK?
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Old 30th Jan 2012, 03:18   #1578 (permalink)
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Location: Turkey
Age: 42
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B777 interview

Hi to all , i have an interview with Etihad as F/O on the B777 and i would appreciateyour help if you have any information with the tech exam ,group exercise .
Please PM me , your help will be much appreciate .
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Old 30th Jan 2012, 09:06   #1579 (permalink)
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Do Etihad have a anti poaching agreement with Qatar, like Emirates do?
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Old 30th Jan 2012, 10:07   #1580 (permalink)
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Gone now I think. Got a few from Goat air coming over. The EK was a year ban and that's shaky anyway. As the pilots dry up it'll hard for them to get the guys they need whatever they say about there being no shortage.
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