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Old 22nd Oct 2014, 08:38
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Ryanair cadet programme

I know in past years ryanair have hired fATPL's with 200-300 hours, anyone know if this is still the case? I've heard rumours that they are not hiring irish pilots anymore also, anyone know if this is true? I'm considering doing an integrated ATPL programme but would like to have a vague idea of employment opportunities beforehand..

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Old 22nd Oct 2014, 10:42
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Yes Ryanair do hire fATPLs fresh off the production line with 200-300h and yes it would seem there is a freeze on recruitment of Irish pilots. I know of no Irish guys who have gotten a call in the last 18 months or so but recruitment of other nationalities steams ahead as evidenced by the interview thread here.

A RYR TRI who I know through my school has told me that he has not seen an Irish cadet through the type rating course in almost 2 years.

The reasons can only be speculated over.
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I believe there was a few former AFTA students from Cork taken on by Ryanair in the last few months.
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I don't think it's fair to say RYR aren't hiring people based on being Irish. First of all we haven't seen every cadet to get selected over the last few months and second of all we haven't got the numbers of those Irish who did apply. For example if the vast majority of applicants are British and very few Irish applicants, then statistically you would expect the vast majority of successful people to be British. Maybe it just so happened that very few Irish applied and those that did ended up failing the sim ? There are many irish pilots in RYR, I would be surprised if not shocked that RYR were discriminating against their own for whatever reason.
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I believe there was a few former AFTA students from Cork taken on by Ryanair in the last few months.
They were UK nationals AFAIK. I asked an AFTA guy about it and he said that none of their Irish graduates that he knew of in the last 2 years or so have been called.

I don't think it's fair to say RYR aren't hiring people based on being Irish. First of all we haven't seen every cadet to get selected over the last few months and second of all we haven't got the numbers of those Irish who did apply. For example if the vast majority of applicants are British and very few Irish applicants, then statistically you would expect the vast majority of successful people to be British. Maybe it just so happened that very few Irish applied and those that did ended up failing the sim ? There are many irish pilots in RYR, I would be surprised if not shocked that RYR were discriminating against their own for whatever reason.
The evidence is pretty clear and paints a fairly sad picture now after a time. When you apply to RYR you apply through CAE. CAE get back and ask for your CV if you meet the minimum requirements etc and they send that off to RYR. RYR then decide who they call for assessment.
Of all the Irish I know who have applied none have heard anything after the initial CAE application. Of all the UK/other nationals I know most if not all have heard back within a week for 2 asking for their CV. Looking at it from my own experience and the people I know, plus the people those people know Irish people are not even being called for interview.
Like I said as TRI has told me there have been no Irish cadets through the type rating in almost 2 years.
Like you said statistics wise the network of people I know includes far more Irish than UK or other(somewhere in the 5:1 ratio) yet all the UK/other are contacted for at least a CV and some called for assessment while none of the Irish hear anything after initial application....tells a story if you ask me.
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Old 23rd Oct 2014, 09:17
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That's a shame, I was hoping maybe it wasn't entirely true.. It's AFTA is where I'm thinking of doing the integrated course, but if job prospects are so poor then maybe I'd just be wasting my money.. Anyone know of anyone else who hire fresh fATPL's with 200-300 hours?
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It's nationality not FTO that is the issue. I went to an Irish FTO and had 3 non irish nationals there with me in a grouping of 10. One Italian an English guy and a guy from Northern Ireland with a British Passport. All 3 got called for assessment and 2 got hired(the Northern guy being the one who did not). Thew rest of us all Irish not a peep.
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RYR not hiring Irish is 100% true, Ive been trained for a while now and not one Irish pilot that I met along the modular path in any school that I have been in have gotten a job but yet guys that went to the same schools as me from other countries are in the job now. Its a sad reality that an Irish airline will not hire their own citizens and widely know in the aviation industry here in Ireland among FTO's etc. Reasons can be widely speculated on Ive heard quite a few varying from union issues with the Ryanair Pilot Group and other off the wall stuff. Although true It is incredibly hard to prove as Ryanair have employed CAE to look after the hiring stage and there are no Irish pilots getting a call for an interview for it to be Ryanair's problem. Hopefully something will be done about this soon!
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A friend of mine is doing a type rating at the minute with them and there is an Irish guy in his course.
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While I hope that is true he may be a UK or other citizen.

Reason I have heard over and over was that most of the guys ringleading in the pilot group threatening to strike were Irish and they were pulling more Irish people in with them. That is only one of the rumours but it's the one I hear most.
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