Air Asia : la fin du "Pay to Fly" ?
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C'est peut être interdit dans le code du travail, mais ça se manifeste sous d'autres formes. Une compagnie qui te fait payer ton Type pour t'embaucher, et qui te paye plus qu'une misère ensuite pendant x années, c'est la même chose mais de manière detourné.
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Nous attendons tous avec impatience la publication des HDV du copilote, dont on ne pourra pas faire l'economie dans tout rapport un tant soit peu serieux. Il semble qu'autant Air Asia que l'administration indonesienne aient beaucoup de choses a faire passer sous le tapis.
La question est (et il y aura un jour une reponse) : comment devient-on copi dans ce genre de boite ?
Les passagers (en general) seront-ils contents de savoir entre les mains de qui ils se retrouvent parfois (souvent) ?
Tirer les breakers en vol .... vous allez tous adorer la suite de la serie
Pour info il se dit un peu plus de choses sur le fil "Air Asia lost" de ce forum, et en particulier sur le recrutement des cockpits
La question est (et il y aura un jour une reponse) : comment devient-on copi dans ce genre de boite ?
Les passagers (en general) seront-ils contents de savoir entre les mains de qui ils se retrouvent parfois (souvent) ?
Tirer les breakers en vol .... vous allez tous adorer la suite de la serie
Pour info il se dit un peu plus de choses sur le fil "Air Asia lost" de ce forum, et en particulier sur le recrutement des cockpits
Last edited by Reinhardt; 1st Feb 2015 at 14:12.
@ Reinhardt...
Tirer les breakers en vol .... vous allez tous adorer la suite de la serie
Je ne suis pas convaincu que le CDB fût hors son siège et qu'il tirait sur des breakers au moment de la tragédie.
Je crois plutôt qu'il y a eu une mauvaise interprétation ou une erreur qui s’est glissée à la traduction de l'Indonésien à l'Anglais par les journalistes ce qui n'est pas une première surtout si la conversation est de type technique comme celle dans l'aviation. De plus connaissant les journalistes qui sont prêt à tout faire pour le sensationnisme dans ce genre d’accident ils se foutent des faits et publieront leurs fausses informations sans même les vérifier.
Pour ce qui des P2F, je suis totalement contre mais en France si je me rappelle bien, faut-il pas dans certaines compagnies payer ou prendre une caution sur plusieurs années pour recevoir un endossement sur un type d'avion et si oui n'est-il pas une forme de P2F?
Reuters...
Investigators say no evidence AirAsia captain left his seat | Reuters
Reuters se corrige à propos de son premier article disant que le CDB était sorti de son siège pour tirer des breaker et je cite…
Feb 2 (Reuters) - Indonesian air crash investigators said on Monday they had not so far found evidence that the pilot of an AirAsia jet had left his seat, or that power to an automated control system was shut off, shortly before the aircraft plunged into the sea.
Two sources familiar with the investigation had told Reuters that Captain Iriyanto was out of his seat carrying out the unusual procedure of pulling the circuit-breaker on a flight computer when his co-pilot apparently lost control of the Airbus A320.
AirAsia flight QZ8501 vanished from radar screens on Dec. 28, less than half-way into a two-hour flight from Indonesia's second-biggest city of Surabaya to Singapore. All 162 people on board were killed.
"Up until today, there is no indication yet that the captain left his seat as reported by Reuters," Ertata Lananggalih, an investigator with the National Transportation Safety Committee (NTSC), told Reuters at the team's office in Jakarta, referring to the story published on Saturday.
People familiar with the investigation had earlier told Reuters that investigators were examining maintenance records of one of the plane's automated systems, the Flight Augmentation Computer (FAC), and how the pilots may have reacted to any outage.
Bloomberg News reported on Friday that the pilots of the crashed plane had tried to reset the FAC during the flight, and had then pulled a circuit-breaker to cut power to the device.
People familiar with the matter told Reuters it was the Indonesian captain who took this step, rather than his less experienced French co-pilot, Remy Plesel, who was flying the plane.
CIRCUIT BREAKER
NTSC investigators disputed on Monday that the circuit breaker was pulled.
"Up until today, there is no indication or evidence yet that the circuit breaker was pulled," Lananggalih said.
The NTSC declined to elaborate further, saying the accident was still under investigation.
However, a document prepared by the investigation team and reviewed by Reuters indicated the FAC system and the cockpit circuit breakers were among the issues of interest to the probe.
The schedule document listed more than 30 items for discussion. Along with more general points such as "wreckage recovery" and "maintenance review", it included the entry "FAC engagement and failure understanding" and another entry related to pulling "CB", a common abbreviation for circuit-breakers.
"This is .. just inventory. It is to make the investigation easier. There are maybe 40 or 35 things that have to be discussed," said Tatang Kurniadi, chief of the NTSC, when asked about the list.
"It is not just circuit breakers. This is the first plan...it could change again because of developments. This was prepared in the first week of the investigation."
The checklist made no mention of pilot seats or movements in the cockpit.
Investigators have said it was too early to say whether the accident involved pilot error or a mechanical fault.
AirAsia declined comment. The airline said previously it would not comment while the crash, its first ever fatal accident, was under investigation by the NTSC.
Indonesia has released some factual details of the circumstances of the crash, but has not made public the preliminary accident report it submitted to the International Civil Aviation Organization last week.
Although more is becoming known about the chain of events, people familiar with the investigation warned against making assumptions on the accident's cause, which needed more analysis.
Safety experts say air crashes are most often caused by a chain of events, each of which is necessary but not sufficient to explain the underlying causes of the accident
Reuters se corrige à propos de son premier article disant que le CDB était sorti de son siège pour tirer des breaker et je cite…
Feb 2 (Reuters) - Indonesian air crash investigators said on Monday they had not so far found evidence that the pilot of an AirAsia jet had left his seat, or that power to an automated control system was shut off, shortly before the aircraft plunged into the sea.
Two sources familiar with the investigation had told Reuters that Captain Iriyanto was out of his seat carrying out the unusual procedure of pulling the circuit-breaker on a flight computer when his co-pilot apparently lost control of the Airbus A320.
AirAsia flight QZ8501 vanished from radar screens on Dec. 28, less than half-way into a two-hour flight from Indonesia's second-biggest city of Surabaya to Singapore. All 162 people on board were killed.
"Up until today, there is no indication yet that the captain left his seat as reported by Reuters," Ertata Lananggalih, an investigator with the National Transportation Safety Committee (NTSC), told Reuters at the team's office in Jakarta, referring to the story published on Saturday.
People familiar with the investigation had earlier told Reuters that investigators were examining maintenance records of one of the plane's automated systems, the Flight Augmentation Computer (FAC), and how the pilots may have reacted to any outage.
Bloomberg News reported on Friday that the pilots of the crashed plane had tried to reset the FAC during the flight, and had then pulled a circuit-breaker to cut power to the device.
People familiar with the matter told Reuters it was the Indonesian captain who took this step, rather than his less experienced French co-pilot, Remy Plesel, who was flying the plane.
CIRCUIT BREAKER
NTSC investigators disputed on Monday that the circuit breaker was pulled.
"Up until today, there is no indication or evidence yet that the circuit breaker was pulled," Lananggalih said.
The NTSC declined to elaborate further, saying the accident was still under investigation.
However, a document prepared by the investigation team and reviewed by Reuters indicated the FAC system and the cockpit circuit breakers were among the issues of interest to the probe.
The schedule document listed more than 30 items for discussion. Along with more general points such as "wreckage recovery" and "maintenance review", it included the entry "FAC engagement and failure understanding" and another entry related to pulling "CB", a common abbreviation for circuit-breakers.
"This is .. just inventory. It is to make the investigation easier. There are maybe 40 or 35 things that have to be discussed," said Tatang Kurniadi, chief of the NTSC, when asked about the list.
"It is not just circuit breakers. This is the first plan...it could change again because of developments. This was prepared in the first week of the investigation."
The checklist made no mention of pilot seats or movements in the cockpit.
Investigators have said it was too early to say whether the accident involved pilot error or a mechanical fault.
AirAsia declined comment. The airline said previously it would not comment while the crash, its first ever fatal accident, was under investigation by the NTSC.
Indonesia has released some factual details of the circumstances of the crash, but has not made public the preliminary accident report it submitted to the International Civil Aviation Organization last week.
Although more is becoming known about the chain of events, people familiar with the investigation warned against making assumptions on the accident's cause, which needed more analysis.
Safety experts say air crashes are most often caused by a chain of events, each of which is necessary but not sufficient to explain the underlying causes of the accident
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Salut à tous,
très rapidement, j'essaie encore de me procurer des contrats mais, oui, Air Asia ferait du P2F!
Je les publierais avec les autres doc, dispo à:
Pay to fly - repository
N'oubliez pas la pétition contre le P2F et les reportages de France 2 et RTS (entre autre... on bosse bien, il y a un tas d'articles qui sortent, ça avance avec pas mal de media, les syndic et... la Commission Européenne!)
@Reinhardt: J'ai l'impression de te connaître. Je suis moi même "affilié" aux Caraïbes on va dire, et les pilotes Antilles Guyanais sur le carreau sont nombreux. Je pense qu'il convient de dire en tout cas qu'il est très curieux que l'APPAG fasse fi des pilotes de la région déjà formés qui viendraient les voir.
Des pilotes qui après tout, ne leur coûterait rien (sauf si P2F il y a).
Là où la cavalerie est très claire, c'est que, comme ça a été mentionné, l'ENAC se lance dans la formation de pilotes Caribéens en partenariat avec une banque pour des formations à 96k€. Quoi, parce qu'on est pas assez nombreux au chômage à ne demander que ça un boulot?
Ah, on me dit qu'il faut que le marché de la formation tourne. Ok si vous le dîtes
très rapidement, j'essaie encore de me procurer des contrats mais, oui, Air Asia ferait du P2F!
Je les publierais avec les autres doc, dispo à:
Pay to fly - repository
N'oubliez pas la pétition contre le P2F et les reportages de France 2 et RTS (entre autre... on bosse bien, il y a un tas d'articles qui sortent, ça avance avec pas mal de media, les syndic et... la Commission Européenne!)
@Reinhardt: J'ai l'impression de te connaître. Je suis moi même "affilié" aux Caraïbes on va dire, et les pilotes Antilles Guyanais sur le carreau sont nombreux. Je pense qu'il convient de dire en tout cas qu'il est très curieux que l'APPAG fasse fi des pilotes de la région déjà formés qui viendraient les voir.
Des pilotes qui après tout, ne leur coûterait rien (sauf si P2F il y a).
Là où la cavalerie est très claire, c'est que, comme ça a été mentionné, l'ENAC se lance dans la formation de pilotes Caribéens en partenariat avec une banque pour des formations à 96k€. Quoi, parce qu'on est pas assez nombreux au chômage à ne demander que ça un boulot?
Ah, on me dit qu'il faut que le marché de la formation tourne. Ok si vous le dîtes
